Rolando Rosas 4:09
And was gonna say you don’t seem very shy now. You know, you’ve just laid it all out there ballcap twisted back and you know, your sunglasses and everything and throwing up the do signs.
Stephen G. Pope 4:21
Well, you know that some of that stuff just comes with practice, right? So it always starts with a commitment to do something like the one thing that I’ve kind of come to the realization lately is this is that everyone gets with with camera and social media in general, like there’s there’s hangups for everybody. And they’re all a little bit different. And the one commonality for people that did get over it and are on there now is that initial commitment, because without that it’s hard to break through all of the other things that you need to that you’ll end up having to get help with or practice without that initial commitment. So, so like, what you’re seeing now is just being more comfortable on camera really just not, not caring so much, you, we all get bombarded with what you have to do and that you should do that or it should be a highly produced video or it should be a natural video with nothing. So you’re just ultimately seeing, you know, someone that has gone through the process and in has figured out how to get on video articulate themselves tell little stories, like even the story I just told you. That’s something that I’ve told many times. Right?
Rolando Rosas 5:28
Ya know, you’ve had you have a TikTok of usually have several TikToks like that telling that story is something to that, that’s something that you need to do is I’ve heard people say you just read something, you have to repeat your message, because obviously people don’t hear just one. Yeah, you gotta rock or LinkedIn posts.
Stephen G. Pope 5:46
Yeah, you got to, and you have to kind of see like, where people are, like, where it makes sense for people, right? Like, what I noticed when I started the next business, and I would go out, I would say a lot of the right things, I would say, Hey, I’m gonna help you grow your business. I’m gonna help you get on video, I’m gonna help you do this. And they would not they would say, Yeah, that. That seems interesting. That seems right. But it wasn’t until I kind of crafted the story and explained like, why is it that I’m doing this now? And why is it that I’m positioned to help you do it? And like, tell the story in such a way that it made sense to them. It wasn’t until I started to do that, that I really started to get some traction, because I even remember, there was one specific conversation I had with somebody. And he was he was just being blunt. He was and he was just like, this all makes sense. But like, why are you doing this, and then I had the chance to kind of explain, and then I had that epiphany moment of like, oh, you know, people need to understand and connect the dots, so that they can kind of see themselves working with you and going through that process and figuring it out. So it was really all just like a, like, a journey really, of getting yourself out there and testing things out and learning and being aware of what people say, in order to, you know, ultimately make it like, you know, somebody figures out who you are, then they figure out what you can do for them. And they figure out that you’re the guy to do it, and then what the process is, and then what ultimately happens after working with you.
Dave Kelly 7:14
And we’re learning we’re learning a lot, Stephen about the importance of storytelling for people want to know where you came from, what is your story? Why are you the expert? How? And how is that going to benefit me. And through our journey within creating content, it’s the engagement with telling a story that people want to listen to, and I find with a lot of the things that I consume. It always starts with a story, just learning where that person came from, so that you understand why they’re doing the things that they’re doing within their specific posts.
Stephen G. Pope 7:47
Yeah, exactly. And what I also found interesting as well is that it is about you, but it’s also not it’s about, it’s really about them. And you’re telling the story in such a way that it’s it’s so they can kind of see themselves going through the gauntlet, so to speak, right? Because because there’s the challenges ahead. So why are they going to connect with you, and then really kind of divert their current path to your path, right. So if you see two people going up a mountain, and they don’t know each other and they cross paths, you’re going to have to number one, you’re going to have to have some kind of banner that gets them to stop in the first place. And then they’re going to stop and then they’re going to ask you some questions. And then you’re going to relate with them, you’re going to tell them this little story. And then and then when they look at look down at the path again on that mountain, and they see these two paths, what’s going to keep them from going on the path that we’re already going on, or the one that you’re kind of pointing to and say Hey, check this out, this is this is a better path for you, and I’ll guide you up this, this mountain and then at the, if you go with me, you’re gonna see you’re gonna get to that top faster than if you go down that other path.
Rolando Rosas 8:57
Interesting, interesting. Interesting. So it’s basically getting people to maybe do a little bit of self reflection on that if you’re given somebody somebody’s trying to decide between path A and path B, you know, you need a little bit of reflection in order to get there. And sometimes you need some poking and prodding and people that challenge you. And that’s what I want to do next. I want to challenge you on the two videos that we picked out a TikTok for me again from your TikTok channel, or do we have those two videos? I believe we do. So let’s let’s see which one you want to start with? Let’s see. We have one with Gary Vee. copywriters already. Oh, I love we’re just talking about your flair. I want I want the good people that haven’t seen you on TikTok. Now, what’s your reaction to this? Because you could have gone down one path which is just hey, marketing is great and pick me right? Like you’re talking about or you let your personality come through. You’re talking about that epiphany. And I want I want you to tell us if this video that we’re looking we’re getting ready to look at with with you asked me anything is after you’ve had that epiphany I decided to bring that flair to the table. Go ahead Oli roll that bit first video yeah that’s the one. Look at that and you just want to hang out and like no fear, you know, no judgement. I don’t care. I’m just gonna do this. I may. I may not be MC Hammer and me been dating me a little bit, but I’m gonna put it all out on the table.
Stephen G. Pope 10:41
Yeah, you know, like, because here’s one thing is like I definitely wouldn’t have been able to do that. Like when I first started doing videos, I probably wouldn’t have been able to do that if I hadn’t gotten on TikTok TikTok, I think kind of encourages those things. I don’t, I don’t dance on TikTok on a regular basis. However, I think a lot like and I’m not an aspiring dancer, either. But I will say that, like, I think most people like, you know, they’ve always wished like when they felt the beat or something, and they’re at a party or something. Yeah, they could feel a little bit more natural. Going out there and being confident not that they want to be dancers, but that they can go enjoy themselves. And I think a lot of people are wallflowers. And so in that particular case, I don’t remember exactly what spawned me to do that. But you know, it’s it’s like, I was creating a lot of videos around like content workflow. And I just, I just know with TikTok, like when you do certain little things, like, you can capture people’s attention. And right sometimes with video, like, there’s a mixture, like you notice I was also using that TikTok voice. And so I’ve just I’ve had some experience with TikTok. And I was just, you know, I just experimented and just tried something out and went with went with it.
Rolando Rosas 11:55
And you know, I know it totally, it totally comes through, but it separates you from a lot of other folks that get on there and talk about, you know, I’m, I’m great because, you know, I know so much, right? A lot of that. And I think you’ve hit the right word experimentation, you know, people consume your videos all in different ways. And you don’t have the same audience. Unlike an Instagram, where it’s the same followers they consume. They consume your stuff all the time in TikTok different where it’s new. And so people that may have seen you for the first time may have seen that video. And they’re like, Well, I liked that. I liked that flair. What was that guy?
Stephen G. Pope 12:31
Well, you might connect with you might connect with the person that that kind of wishes they could do that.
Rolando Rosas 12:36
Totally, totally.
Stephen G. Pope 12:38
Like me, but just like be willing to just put themselves out there, right. Like, there’s something freeing about just being you.
Rolando Rosas 12:45
There you go. There you go. There’s, there totally is totally as and you know, before social media for me, I was in a I was about as private as you could get. I think I went on Facebook, like once a quarter.
Dave Kelly 12:58
Yeah, me, too. Yeah. And when we decided to take this leap a few years ago, it had started with, we had rented out a television studio down in like north of Boston or west of Boston. And we did a live five or six hour show. And it was just going to be like an annual thing. So we did it two years in a row. And then that turned into a weekly podcast for about a year and a half and Rolando. I wasn’t on Facebook, I had a LinkedIn account. I\
Rolando Rosas 13:29
I certainly wasn’t active.
Dave Kelly 13:32
That’s like I watched cooking shows on YouTube. I had no idea what TikTok was, I use LinkedIn very narrowly just to kind of network. And that was it. And I think for me, I had come to the realization. I said to my wife, I said to my wife, at the beginning of this process, I said you couldn’t even find a picture of me outside of my LinkedIn profile on the internet. And I liked that privacy. And she looks at me and she says, I have the Facebook page. Dave I post about our family’s vacations and our trips and our dinners and all these different things that I just looked at. I said no, can you show me and it was my whole entire life is already online. The only way you’re gonna find it is not by looking for me, you have to look for her. But that kind of opened it up. Okay, maybe I won’t be so shy. Maybe I will try to do this. And it was definitely kind of getting over that barrier so that we could start having more fun and be the one be the Stephen Pope on the dance floor and not the wallflower thinking I wish I could be like that. I wish I was comfortable enough to go and do that. Quite liberating.
Stephen G. Pope 14:38
Yeah, I think so.
Rolando Rosas 14:42
I know that it’s been a journey for us. And I do want to another example of something. You’re right. You don’t do a lot of dancing, but that to me, those are one that’s a video that stood out in my mind. And I remembered when you and I talked a while back ago. I said you know I just see that flair that you got it’s just it’s Great, great in some ways and inspired me to let some some let loose a little bit more. And I think everybody who’s out there that is either aspiring to be on social media, or is already on social media, letting some more of your natural self will resonate probably better than not right than just being scripted. And this is this this video here where we’re talking about probably one of the most, probably one of the hotter create content creators out there shows shows a different side of you. And I want to see what you think about this, go ahead Ori roll that one? Right, this this one is about you, talking about how it easy, it’s so easy that you can, you know, do this one to two hours a week, and which is an really interesting pitch. And I saw that on your LinkedIn profile as well, that, you know, it’s a one to two hour commitment that you need to have. And it seems like you’re you’re taking away a lot of the pain points around content creation I know that for us, you know, there’s a lot of things that we go through as a team to to get content out. And I know that starting is usually a big barrier of entry for a lot of folks in a lot of organizations. Can you talk about that?
Stephen G. Pope 16:31
Yeah, I mean, what I found, when I started talking with people was like, the biggest barrier was time. And so obviously, if you’re gonna put on a like a, you’re gonna have your own big podcast, and you guys are doing what you’re doing. You got multiple people involved, you’re gonna be spending more than one or two hours a week to to create the content and do whatever you need to do. So when I when I talk like that, what I’m what I’m thinking about is like, okay, how can you come up with some sort of concept where you are able to get on camera somehow. And the one thing that I realized is that just going on podcast is probably one of the easiest ways. And so that
Rolando Rosas 17:07
was a minute, hold up. What Wait, let me let me I got this is a pro tip. Ori. Let’s roll it back a few seconds here. Let’s throw it down with a pro tip. Alright, and then shoot it back to Stephen. Stephen, go ahead and say what you just said.
Stephen G. Pope 17:27
Yeah, so one of the easiest ways is to just go on another podcast, right? So I’m here, I can record this. And if I’ve got either, you know, some sort of team that has the skills on the back end, which it doesn’t take a lot like, it could just be some software, you don’t need, you don’t need a fancy video editor or anything like that. You can just go on to podcast, record it yourself. So that you’re not reliant on the podcast recording. So you don’t have to ask them for anything, you just record it yourself. But you can totally do it, you can either record it through the computer that you’re on, or you can record it off to the side. And then you can just chop up that content. And what’s nice about that is that they’re asking you the questions, right? So you don’t even have to like, like a lot of people get stuck on Oh, what am I going to do today, or they try to launch a podcast just to get the content. And I think a lot of people get stuck. Because if you launch a podcast, just to get clips for social media, it sounds great. But like, I think that’s a little bit hard to sustain if you don’t have like a purpose behind your podcast. And you really want to do it. And so and also, like if you start your own podcast, or if you do videos, it’ll be harder to do that in the one to two or three hours a week. So if you get yourself on podcast, and then you just figure out a way to record it. And then you just have some backend systems or help on the back end, to help you get that clipped up so that you can publish it to social media, you really can get this done in a couple hours a week and have a lot of content. Because especially like on TikTok, you go on for a 45 minute podcast, you can easily pull, you know, 10 clips from that. Sure. You just got to get a little creative, like the person that’s pulling those clips, has to build that skill out a little bit, you know, where do you end it?
Dave Kelly 19:05
So short form content creation, people love the little, they’d love the short form, it’s easy to consume, but from experience like so when we started to do the short form content, I’m thinking, I wonder if this is going to be easier because we’re looking at a 22 second video or a 30 video. It’s not easier necessarily. It’s about changing with a mindset of how to go and extract that but what’s key lessons that you learned early in the game with the intent of having short form content?
Stephen G. Pope 19:35
Just that there’s like a certain skill to like deciding when to start and end the clip. And like sometimes, and also what you’re looking for and you know, sometimes you’re just looking for like an energy like an excitement and also like how to craft the title, right? So like if you come into a conversation or a clip in a random spot, and there’s no like context, it might be a little bit hard for someone to understand what you’re talking About. But if you add a title, you can add the context. And then the clip will make sense. And then also understanding that also, you’re going to be testing different things, right. So it’s a testing process, and some clips are going to bomb, and some are going to be better. And so when you’re going through those clips, you kind of have to not judge yourself not judged too harshly, like I did that, that one clip you just saw, did pretty well. And I didn’t necessarily know that that was going to be the case. And then I have other ones that don’t do that well. And I just get to learn from that process. And it’s just an evolving, and evolving thing.
Rolando Rosas 20:36
So you don’t beat yourself up, when you don’t get all the views that you want. I know that I know, for me, it’s the case that I’m my own harshest critics when I look at views. And it’s, it’s the terrible thing to do. Because we all need to know, you know what that barometer for this is do well or not. And then obviously, views or engagement is really kind of the barometer that we’re using to see if it resonated with folks. But it’s not the be all end all because you have tomorrow, the next day, the following date, I heard may have been Gary Vee himself that said that you need to take more swings, in order to know if you’re on the right track something to that effect. So if you’re basically putting out very little content, you’re not you’re not gonna get many swings at bat, versus those people that are getting more swings at bat. They’re figuring it out. There’s, oh, yeah, when I do this type of hook, or when I use this type of intro, or when I use this type of sound, or when I use this type of topic, this is what’s working best. And these are the ones to avoid.
Stephen G. Pope 21:38
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I can’t say that I never, like, get caught up in that or, or judged myself or, you know, so it’s, I wouldn’t want to say that I’m invulnerable to that. But I do try to push through it. Because there’s a lot of times where I, you know, you can you could go through a podcast, you could just, you could get really down on yourself, you could say there’s nothing in here. And in fact, I’ll be honest, like a couple of weeks ago that happened, and then I, I just put it away and came back a few days later. And I was like, oh, there’s a bunch of good stuff in here. And I pulled it out. And then I started posting it. So yeah, I think a lot of all this stuff comes to there’s a certain mindset to it. Like, you can’t,
Rolando Rosas 22:13
you know, the only other thing, you know, the other thing that we have found with with snippets and clips, we’ve, uh, some of our best performing clips have been from podcasts that were our long form podcast to get some of the fewest amount of views we had, I had a guest that I went to school with in college, she’s very dynamic. She’s a great speaker. The podcast itself, like the long form didn’t get a ton of views. But when we took snippets and put it on social media, it’s gotten some of the most views around, you know, even stuff from our first podcast where we, you know, I’m sure you look back and you’re looking at your first passively. Oh, I would say that I looked at my first one. Oh, like, I look back on it now. And some of our best clips in terms of social media have come from episode one.
Stephen G. Pope 23:04
Yeah. Oh, interesting. That’s cool. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, you also have to think too, is like the way that the way the way that people consume podcasts or a YouTube channel is different than the way they consume like a channel like TikTok or LinkedIn, you know, people are just there, in your video just happens to pop up. Whereas the other channels, you know, like, you have to grow those audiences. And it’s just, it’s just kind of like a different, different ballgame. So you could totally have videos that aren’t doing well on a platform, but still have great content in them. Just like just like your experience.
Rolando Rosas 23:39
I want to ask you one more thing about tactics. I noticed that so you have some videos that are very short, seven to 10 seconds, some of that are on TikTok now, some that are obviously longer than that. What have you found from a just an experimentation perspective, but those shorter videos where it’s really you’re throwing out like a sentence, you know, like, there’s you did one on copywriting and that is overrated and so forth. And boom, it was over in like eight seconds. What’s what’s been your experience with those really short form really short form type of videos?
Stephen G. Pope 24:14
Yeah, I think it just kind of comes down to like, tapping into a nerve of some sort. Like that video is interesting because I think number one, if you say copywriting is overrated, you’re gonna get a lot of copywriters that are like, that’s your full of it, right? In fact, a
Rolando Rosas 24:30
lot of third up a hornet’s nest there.
Stephen G. Pope 24:33
And in fact, when I look when I really like, what I was trying to say wasn’t really that copywriting was overrated. So when I look back on it, even I can see it’s a kind of like a hyperbolic kind of statement to me, right? I wasn’t necessarily really trying to say that good writing isn’t needed, but that’s what I’ve said. And so therefore, it’s going to cause it’s going to cause friction out there, and sorry. So that was a good learning experience for myself. Number one, you know, you know, saying something out there like that is going to definitely create a reaction. And number two made me rethink exactly how I said that video. Because I didn’t really mean it that way. But at the same time, it’s like, I
Rolando Rosas 25:18
kind of didn’t really mean it that way.
Stephen G. Pope 25:21
I mean, I didn’t, I didn’t write like, what I was really trying to say was just like, for people that aren’t true copywriters, it’s like, you want to just stay focused on, you know, telling real examples and telling stories versus, you know, trying to describe things? Because if you use examples and stuff, but anyways, yeah, so it’s just, I guess what I would say is, it’s like, if you if you make a short video engaging, and it taps into something, those those shorter videos can do quite well. And you really, sometimes, sometimes I think people feel like they have to get these big points across, they have to make these big, convincing arguments. And I think sometimes they just lose people. And like the, the, I think some of the, the Art of Doing these short form videos is it’s not necessarily the length, but it is cutting out all the fluff and making it simple to understand. And, you know, doing, doing whatever, whatever in your style, whatever will help capture people’s attention and hold it.
Rolando Rosas 26:23
You’re right, you’re right. It’s and, you know, you just have to find out what what that is. And I don’t know if you’ve paid attention to what I’m looking at the time here, let me skip that. We’re running out of time. Dave was was that was there something else you wanted to ask Stephen? Before we go into rapid fire?
Dave Kelly 26:40
I just wanted to say what’s fun about experimenting with things like titles is you can take that same video, Steven, and instead of having it say, copy what was a copyright, copyright is overrated, you could say copyright is not overrated, or something like that, just to see how it would be accepted or what kind of views so it’s those little tweaks that really maybe get a different audience? Was it maybe hit a nerve with a different group of people? Yeah, just a second, you know, seven second video changing that, that that title just ever so slightly could give you a different result?
Stephen G. Pope 27:17
Yeah, for sure. I think that kind of that kind of thinking is a little, it’s a little more methodical. And so I think everyone’s different to like, some people have a methodical approach. And they’ll go through their videos and like, test different things. And I think that’s really awesome. I think other people have a hard time doing that. And so like, I guess, like, it’s interesting, because I coach people on TikTok, and I give them ideas, and I walk them through basic frameworks, and encourage this or encourage that. But in the end, you’re gonna have to find what works for you, you might see other creators that do something, you want to look for opportunities that make you feel comfortable, and get your point across, and then you know, get people interested. So, you know, there are ways of accelerating all of these different things. How do you tell stories? What how do you order the order the words in such a way that most people are going to understand, but then how do you? How do you come in and continue to bring it and make it your own? Because that’s what’s really going to do? Well, I think going forward is just, you know, being authentic, right? Not everyone’s Stephen Pope or this or Gary Vee or any of these different people. So you got to be able to do it your way.
Rolando Rosas 28:25
So putting putting your your mark on the on videos that you’re putting out is definitely the way to go in for us. I think we’re still trying to get there trying to find that voice. And you know, it’s I guess, like you said experimentation, and getting to a point where you’re like, Yeah, this is where we’re really hitting our stride. And Stephen, before you go, Well, we’ve got now is of rapid fire segment so that we call a thumbs up and thumbs down. Alright. It’s just one want to give you word. And you tell me thumbs up, or thumbs down. All right, well, right because it’s just one word. Or yes, these these things. So I’m going to ask you about a concept and just tell me thumbs up on this or thumbs down. All right. All right. So the first one, podcasting thumbs up or thumbs down?
Stephen G. Pope 29:17
Thumbs up
Rolando Rosas 29:19
cold calling
Stephen G. Pope 29:20
I’m an I couldn’t do it.
Rolando Rosas 29:23
Trade shows
Stephen G. Pope 29:24
For the right person.
Rolando Rosas 29:26
Okay, LinkedIn.
Stephen G. Pope 29:28
Good place to be.
Rolando Rosas 29:30
Thumbs up for LinkedIn Instagram.
Stephen G. Pope 29:33
Not as experienced but I think if you can work it, I mean, I think
Rolando Rosas 29:38
that’s a kind of a thumbs up kind of a shy thumbs.
Stephen G. Pope 29:42
I just don’t have as much experience with it. So I can’t Okay, me to
Rolando Rosas 29:47
Okay, TikTok.
Stephen G. Pope 29:49
Thumbs up.
Rolando Rosas 29:50
That was for sure. Facebook. Da
Stephen G. Pope 29:56
down. All right. Some people make it work, though. I know lots of people under the like kill it on Facebook. Facebook groups.
Rolando Rosas 30:03
All right, Oh, I’ve lost my track here. Oh, here two more, two more of the thumbs up thumbs down Twitter.
Stephen G. Pope 30:09
Yeah, I think Twitter is cool. Don’t use it. But I think it’s interesting. You okay, all right, and Pinterest. I don’t know anything about it really. So I’m just gonna say like, I’m gonna do a thumbs up just because I know that. If it’s the right place for you, I think you could do really well there.
Rolando Rosas 30:29
All right, wonderful. So that’s for our thumbs up thumbs down segment. Now, these are just short questions, creative agency, in house or outsourced
Stephen G. Pope 30:37
creative agency? In what way? Like, should you use one?
Rolando Rosas 30:41
Yeah, should you should you use one should and if you should go, you know, try to build your own in terms of maybe your own team, or just outsource the whole thing?
Stephen G. Pope 30:51
Yeah, I think this is kind of an interesting question. Because like, I work with people in like, I do some done for you work with people that need help on their content creation. And then on other cases, I’m helping them implement things for themselves. So I think this is a real important decision, I think, I think if you’re really thinking out long term, and you’re seeing where things are going, like having some of these basic skills in house, is gonna be to your advantage, right. So like, if you might outsource specific tasks, but if you can make it work, and you have the mental space, I think if you believe in where we’re going, it’s going to be easier for you to make the choice to bring some of these things in house. So like, if you understand marketing, and, and kind of like where you’re going, and because you’re gonna be able to, you’re gonna be able to move faster, do it cheaper, and do it more the way you want to do it. And only you know, your customers as well as you do. So I think if you have that long term perspective, it’s probably going to take you more time to figure it out. And it’s gonna have to be top down, right? It’s like, like, so I think if you have the right perspective, you should probably start to think about how do you bring some of that stuff in house?
Rolando Rosas 31:53
Right. So to building a team is the way to go long term from what I’m hearing you say? Yeah, I think so. All right. This is a little more technical question a little more blocking and tackling. Should you go cheap or splurge with a microphone?
Stephen G. Pope 32:07
Well, I mean, even though the Shure microphones only a few 100 bucks, I mean, and then you can get this shirt that there’s the other one that’s like the Envy seven I think. So I mean, spend a few 100 bucks on a good mic. So you sound some smooth, you
Rolando Rosas 32:21
know, it’s it sounds smooth. I mean, it’s smooth on the clips. All right. You know,
Stephen G. Pope 32:27
if I’m talking to somebody that’s like, literally just has no budget, they’re trying to get out there. I just like do what you got to do. Yeah, cuz you can get a Blue Yeti. That sounds pretty good. It’s 130 bucks or something.
Rolando Rosas 32:38
Okay, yeah. But definitely the if you can splurge, you know, a couple 100 Get get to get something professional if you can think so. Yeah. All right. Cool. All right. Best motivational content creator. You have two choices here. Gary Vee, or Tony Robbins. Oh, interesting.
Stephen G. Pope 32:59
Yeah, they’re both great characters. I probably I probably look at him. Look at them for slightly different things. But I think that’s a hard one. I guess I’ll just go with Gary Vee. Because I probably watch a little bit more of his content. I don’t see Tony Robbins quite as much.
Rolando Rosas 33:13
They both they both make you want to run through a brick wall just in maybe different ways.
Stephen G. Pope 33:18
Yeah, I think yeah, they have a different energy in a different focus.
Rolando Rosas 33:22
Right, right. Last one. I think this is the last one. Let me see. Yes, it is is our last one. Very easy one for you. Since you’re from the West Coast, surfing, or skating.
Stephen G. Pope 33:34
I guess I have to pick skating. I didn’t actually do either. But I did have skate. I did have a skateboard. And I did a little bit of it. And there was actually I always bother my kids. Because down the street from where I lived, there was this place called the pipeline. And there was a old school. It was like back in the 80s. And they had all these pools. And kids would go gather there and would skate. And now Now it’s just an office building. I guess I have more affinity towards skating even even though I didn’t really I wasn’t hardcore at it.
Rolando Rosas 34:04
He did enough to be to be dangerous.
Stephen G. Pope 34:07
Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
Dave Kelly 34:08
Not where to put it or not enough of it to be dangerous. Yeah,
Rolando Rosas 34:13
exactly. You got a serious accident skating.
Dave Kelly 34:17
I finally stopped. I finally stopped skateboarding. Four years ago, when we started doing some of the content creation. I had never hit the ground so hard in my entire life with my face.
Rolando Rosas 34:30
And then we have to go on camera like what two days later after that, three days later after your accident?
Dave Kelly 34:37
Yep, yep. And I was hiding my face. And then we had the camera guy on the stage at this one particular angle, but I haven’t been on a I have not been on a skateboard since unfortunately, because I like to be in the old guy on a skateboard.
Stephen G. Pope 34:53
That’s brutal.
Rolando Rosas 34:54
It is brutal. No, I stay away from that. That’s not my thing. No, no, no, no, not I’m not a skater I’m not a Skate or Die kind of guy. I don’t have no problem with with skating or even surfing for that matter. It’s it’s just not my thing.
Stephen G. Pope 35:07
Yeah. Skate or Die. I think that’s the what the way you want to put it is like, I also used to have a motorcycle. And then I eventually sold it because like, I started to realize is like, at some point, you’re gonna have a spill. And like, even though it’s really fun, it’ll be good. Yeah, even though it’s fun, and I had a lot of fun with it. I wasn’t, you know, a motorcycle this like, like that. I didn’t want to die on it. Like it wasn’t that important to me. So I got rid of it.
Rolando Rosas 35:34
Yeah, I’m talking about crossroads. From what you talked about earlier. I remember my first job, we get our first bonus. And as either I’m gonna buy a motorcycle, or I could put a down payment on a house. I really was like, that was like 23-24 She gets her motorcycles to be so much it’d be a lot of fun. I made the wise decision of putting a down payment on the house on it. But boy, that motorcycle was looking real good when I was looking at him like myself but no, I decided to get the house. It was a good a good decision. I was able to make some money off of of buying a house and then selling it later on.
Stephen G. Pope 36:15
Right. It’s right on there.
Rolando Rosas 36:18
So Stephen, anything else you want to wrap up with? I know you got a hard stop. Anything else you want? Any thoughts that you want to say? How can people find you?
Stephen G. Pope 36:24
Yeah, so you can always go to my website, SGPlabs.com If you’re interested in exploring TikTok is interested in learning how to get on camera, repurpose that content, push content out to social media, it’d be good to have a conversation. So go ahead and reach out I’m also on TikTok and, and LinkedIn and YouTube. And you can you can always just find me Stephen G Pope, on any of those. And that’s what the PH.
Rolando Rosas 36:49
or Stephen, thanks for being such a sport for coming on today. We really love and appreciate your time. And thanks for taking some time and coming on the podcast today.
Stephen G. Pope 36:58
Yeah, I mean, really appreciate you guys as well. Thank you for having me on and having some fun and asking me some questions. I truly appreciate it.
Outro 37:05
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