Felecia Freely 19:27
That is really interesting.
Rolando Rosas 19:29
It was really wild. You know, what’s wild, Felecia? And that’s one of the reasons I like bringing you on. I learned something new every time I watch your video, or your Come on, he dropped some knowledge on us. I was just looking at some videos that I haven’t seen because sometimes I get the video from three months ago sometimes from yesterday. Who knows sometimes TikTok just plays around and showing videos and what’s on your for you page. I saw you had a video that hit over 19 million views 19.4 I think when I looked at as much as 20 million views by now, and I was really interested in, I’ve got it here, I want to give our audience that’s watching as well as hearing us to give a little flavor of that, because I know you made a two parter here. But so I’m going to play just part one,
Felecia Freely 20:18
only this test is supposed to tell you a lot about yourself. Imagine you’ve been on a long journey, trying to find your way back home. And now you have to walk through a rainforest, you have four pets with you, you have a cow, a horse, a lion, and a monkey. But you’re looking at the map and you’re looking at the food supply. And you already know that not all four of them are going to be able to make it with you out of this rainforest. But it’s the only way home immediately, you have to get rid of one of them. So out of the cow, horse, Lion and monkey, which one? Are you going to leave behind? pause and think of your answer. So after you pick the one that you’re going to leave behind you and the remaining three, walk into the rain forest, and everything is going okay, you guys last a couple of days, but the food supply is getting low. Luckily, you come across a man who says that he will trade you all of his food, which is a lot in exchange for one of your pets. So out of the remaining three, which one? Would you trade? pause and think of your answer. So now you and the remaining two pets, you have all the food that you need. And you almost make it to the end of the rainforest when Unfortunately, your two pets get in a fight. And you can only save one. So out of the remaining two, which one would you save, each pet is going to end up walking out of this rainforest with you. So the last pet standing by your side by the end of this journey is supposed to tell you a lot about what you value most in life. Get in the comments, let me know which pet was by your side by the end, and then check the comments for the interpretation video where I tell you what your answer says about you. Okay, so
Rolando Rosas 21:44
over 19 million views and counting what it’s already been No, I know what I would ask, What ya know how this happened? How do you do this? How do you pull this off?
Felecia Freely 21:55
Everything is strategy right? At the same time, it’s easy, it’s always equal parts luck, it’s almost like you can’t tap into certain degrees of luck until you tap into certain degrees of strategy, right. And so a lot of my content, most of my content, the vast majority is about social phenomena, social constructs sociology and social history, right. But what I noticed early on, was that style of content only goes but so far. So I’d started playing around with this idea of introducing what I call just topics of the day, right? Just general topics that get people talking that get people in the comments. And that just it just introduced an element of fun with my content. And that style videos always have the propensity to go to millions or more. So at this point, I have about 1213, maybe videos that have gone over a million. That video is my most viral video. But there is a video before that called the wall test, which is my second most viral video. So essentially, what’s been going on it started with this idea of I want to start introducing topic at the dais, which is just this fun element, where I get to show my my side my psychology side where I come up with some sort of psychological test, social test. And I test my ability to interpret people’s answers. And over time, I’ve just gotten better and better at understanding what catches people’s attention. And essentially, I’m at this point where I’ve learned that one of the most impactful and like captivating styled topic of the days that I can do is this kind of personality test type. And so that’s what this is, this is a cultivation of both tests. And yeah, people love it when you do personality tests. And so I just make these up. And then I do an interpretation video. And on the interpretation video, I asked people to let me know how accurate my interpretation was. So So once again, right, I looked at all of that data, and then I tried to improve it. So So yeah, maybe maybe the next one I do. Well, we’ll go even further.
Dave Kelly 24:05
We love this one. We actually did this together as a team. Here, everyone on the team. honing in, they’re like, Alright, step one. What animal Am I leaving behind? I can just hear it. Yeah, I won’t give a I won’t give away anybody’s answers. But I liked the results for our specific team. Because it showed this loyalty within the group. It showed us that we were all on the same page. We didn’t all have the same answer. But it showed that our team was loyal in the aspects where it needed to be loyal. Our leadership sat in the right place, and it was just a lot of fun. And then the follow up video was really cool. Like that piece too
Felecia Freely 24:43
I ask what what the last animal by your side was?
Dave Kelly 24:48
My last animal was the horse. I was racing. I was riding the horse all the way through. And the monkey got left behind and then I second guessed myself, I’m like maybe having a monkey would have helped gather some food. Yeah. But then I’m thinking I can eat my cow. Like I was never really a pet. I don’t Yeah, I’m gonna name the cow. Everyone else has a name.
Felecia Freely 25:14
And I didn’t the horse was a good one. Yeah, the horse is a good one to end with, for sure.
Rolando Rosas 25:22
You should get the horse all the way get out of the rain forest quick. You wouldn’t.
Felecia Freely 25:28
I like where your head’s at. I like where your head’s at. So yeah, that was super fun. And those numbers are insane. So think about TikTok like 19 million, it’s, and you pulled it up just now. And I was able to watch it, it has a million likes. It’s like impossible to even fathom a million people actually taking the second to double tap that video. It’s our brains are like, I don’t get it. I’m not even going to try to wrap my head around that kind of a figure. It’s absolutely insane. And that’s why TikTok is so cool.
Rolando Rosas 25:59
That’s the other reason I want you here because you are again, the Maven, the Queen, I’m gonna sell flip you the queen of TikTok, because when I first sent you the first email, I gotta have you, I got to talk to you, I got to find out what’s in your brain, you’re at a different point. And now you’ve got videos that are people would kill to have that many of you just one video that gets a million views net and let alone you’ve got over a dozen, what is it about this video or some of the other ones that have garnered more views that a brand can learn about videos on Tiktok? And how to approach that? What’s the learning lesson here?
Felecia Freely 26:39
Yes, absolutely. So like I said, I have a particular style of content. But then what I did is I introduced a somewhat adjacent style that really doesn’t have much to do with my actual style, but it serves a completely different purpose. And so that is always the advice that I give brands is to open your minds to the idea of I understand that you might be here to sell your product, we can introduce a structure to where every video doesn’t have to be about selling your product, perhaps it makes more sense for you to release one to three videos a week that serve to only get eyes on your page. And then once those eyes are there, they will go and they’ll check out your other videos to watch those videos, the purpose is to actually sell your product. So to instead of thinking about every single video as this is an opportunity to get a sale or this is the opportunity to get even brand awareness. The idea is maybe you can set up a funnel structure to where certain videos have that purpose. But other videos serve the purpose of strictly exposure. And I think that’s like a really good strategy for brands to gnaw on.
Rolando Rosas 27:56
How does a brand a business? How do they find that voice? And you’ve done it so eloquently with your storytelling, using personality traits, which people instinctively want to know my a fighter and my lover? Am I one of these personalities? You will put it in a very nice package of pets because pets could be anything right? Like the monkeys or cap chickens could be pets, or how does how does how does a brand or a business find a voice? Do they use the voice of the brand of what they’re known for something completely different? Just an idea, here’s what we think would be a good voice for us. And I mean that conceptually, a voice for us on TikTok?
Felecia Freely 28:41
Yes, I think that this is an amazing question. And my perspective is that brands especially when, like you’re saying they don’t necessarily know their TikTok voice, I think that an amazing thing to do would be to work with content creators, people who are experienced in storytelling their experience with the platform, they know what is likely to get views, and they understand right. So I think that it’d be a great strategy for a brand when they’re just getting on TikTok to spend money to actually work with these content creators, because not only are they going to create really good content for you, but if you do it right, you’re actually going to learn from them. And hopefully, you’ll be able to do it on your own.
Dave Kelly 29:27
What surprises you most about more established brands that already feel they have a voice over here? Finding what TikTok voice are they open to suggestion? Are they trying to pull back? Do they even want to jump into the TikTok world? What surprises you with the more established brands?
Felecia Freely 29:46
Yeah, there’s this thing that happens pretty much when any social network emerges. And that is that brands and people really it’s really human nature when we find our flow on a platform And there starts to be like this idea of, okay, now you have to find another flow somewhere else, people and brands are naturally going to want to just do cut, copy, paste, right, they’re going to want to try what’s working on Instagram over here. And there needs to be this level of open mindedness to understand that what is working over here might not be the best strategy on TikTok. And so I would say that is what tends to make it tricky for more established brands is that they believe themselves to be established on one platform. And so they automatically assume that it’s already established on this platform. And they tend to lack that open mindedness to learn the differences of the platform. But once you understand the differences, those are going to be the things that you can actually hack in order to get the results that you want to see.
Rolando Rosas 30:54
Yeah, for sure. Content Creator, there’s so many and I know that you’re working on an app that deals that dives into this area for content creators. And as companies are evaluating TikTok for those that are not using influencers, to really give them that voice or promote their products and services. How would you say would be a good way for a business to evaluate if a particular content creator is right for them? Because they’re not all the same? Right? Some have huge audiences. Some have smaller but get better results. A lot of American Middle, some are older, some younger, some are skinny, some are bigger, bigger and taller, whatever. Does it matter? At the end of the day that you’re matched with the right type of influencer for your product or service?
Felecia Freely 31:44
There are two answers in my head is yes and no. So I think that the best way for me to explain it would be to briefly explain my TikTok journey got, like I’ve been saying my TikTok is about society. That’s what it’s about. But it wasn’t always I had to test a bunch of different ideas. Until I eventually arrived at this discovery, that there was a need, there was an appreciation for my style of content. I wasn’t a content creator, before I got on TikTok. So I didn’t have an Instagram, they kind of already told me that this might work over here, I had to really find it out through trial and error. And the beautiful thing about TikTok is that it actually encourages trial and error. Because what you were saying earlier, you don’t see my videos in chronological order. TikTok might show you a video from a month ago, they might show you a video from five minutes ago. And so that kind of a dynamic actually gives us all the opportunity to experiment, and to try different things. Because it’s not like users are going to be seeing your videos in chronological order. And it’s not like the videos are going to your followers on TikTok, the majority of your views are going to be seen by strangers. So that is the perfect environment for experimentation. So what I always tried to recommend is to have that kind of experimentation mentality. So if I was a brand, and I’m new to TikTok, and I’m trying to figure it out, I don’t know which content creators to reach out to, what I would do is to reach out to to get a variety, I would get a variety, I would try to differentiate, obviously, you want them to be somewhat aligned with your mission, right. But I think that diversity is the way to go. And from there, you’re just going to have to analyze all of the results and get closer and closer to the truth. And eventually you will find it
Rolando Rosas 33:42
gets better for a Pro tip. Pro Tip number four today, experimentation is the key on a platform like TikTok, coming from the Maven of TikTok herself. Felicia, I love that. Because that means that there is no just one blueprint. That means that there could be many blueprints in order to arrive at success on a platform like TikTok,
Felecia Freely 34:11
precisely. And once again, right, I can’t say it enough, because the more that I say it, the more that people have that aha moment. TikTok. When we post on TikTok, the majority of the views are going to be seen by strangers. So what brands and even individuals really have to understand is that concept that is why there’s this idea of the importance of having a hook on TikTok is so prevalent and that is because it’s there’s no context there. You have to assume that the people on the other end have no context into you your brand or what you’re saying. That’s why you have to deliver a hook because you have to give them a reason to care. They don’t automatically care, because they’re not actually your followers seeing your videos right So the more and more that people, you know, meditate on that idea of like, alright, every video I post has to be appropriate has to be optimizing to be seen by strangers, the closer that people are going to get to understanding the type of content that they’re going to deliver the style, the speaking style, how fast they’re going to have to arrive at the point how valuable the video has to be. It all starts making sense once you realize that the video is being seen by strangers. And the other thing that the other amazing thing, it’s a beautiful thing that we’ve never really had from any other social network is the fact that since our videos are being seen by strangers, it opens up this brand new opportunity to experiment. Because it’s the if you do if you do a bad experiment yet, yesterday, if you did a bad experiment yesterday, it’s unlikely that the people who view your video that you post today are going to be the same people who saw that one yesterday, experimentation is really the way to go on TikTok.
Dave Kelly 36:03
so the element of strangers watching your video, do you see that changing down the road? Internally, we talk a lot about SEO and cataloging. And we put a lot of extra effort into our descriptions with keywords, because we feel that TikTok will become also utilized as a search engine. So do you think it’s moving in a direction where we’ll have less reach to the strangers?
Felecia Freely 36:30
I think that let’s say, I’ll start here. So when I was growing my following for the first time, right, and it’s been a steady progression, but I’ll say that my personal story is that I, I challenged myself to a 30 day challenge, where for 30 days, I said, Felecia, you’re going to post 10 times a day for 30 days, and we’re going to see what happens. So at the start of that 30 days, I had 70 followers. And at the end of those 30 days, I had 70,000, I had just learned so much. And all of that knowledge that I gained in that short period of time, I continued to build upon right and in the months that ensued. So when it comes to SEO, that is something that was introduced after I had already learned all of those things, I definitely think that it makes a huge difference. The SEO and the introduction of the importance of SEO on TikTok has completely changed the game in favor of brands and businesses, people like me, I gained those 70,000 followers at a time where perspectives were the most important thing. But now that search is the most important thing it has. So it’s a nuanced distinction. But it introduces this idea that it’s actually more important to be useful than to be valuable. And so a way that I like to think about that is like art, right? Art is valuable. People spend millions and millions of dollars on art, but it’s not particularly useful. So you can imagine how things can be different once those priorities are switched. So right now we’re in this era where it’s more important to be useful. It’s because people are going to be searching for things right, and you want to show up in the searches. And so you want to be very useful. businesses tend to be useful, they tend to have products that serve use. And that is also why a lot of content creators who grew their following and caught their flow before the SEO, they might be experiencing declines in views now, and that is because perspectives are no longer the priority of TikTok. And so yeah, I think that ultimately it is a good thing. Because I think it’s cool that a platform can give opportunities to businesses now they can give opportunities to like educators and products. I think it’s cool that the platform changes. And I think that is why right now with a new importance of SEO, I think that it is the perfect time for brands to really try to figure out TikTok, there’s never been a better time than now SEO has been the thing that has been missing. And now this is exact, it’s perfect for brands, it’s just perfect.
Rolando Rosas 39:21
So you’re saying dive in while the water is nice and warm?
Felecia Freely 39:25
Absolutely just how perspective content creators are having this experience of maybe I missed the wave. The wave is now in the in the favor of companies, businesses, brands, people who are selling products, this is your wave. This is your wave ride it
Rolando Rosas 39:41
And then imagine as a content creator, because so many brands are new to the TikTok suffocation of what’s happening with search becoming more important search getting probably priority now. This is the time to reach out to those folks that are really good pitch people storytellers comm combined with a full optimization on description and everything else, to allow videos to probably take off in a way that couldn’t have been like you said, when you started on your journey. Precisely. Man, Dave, you gotta get on and maybe we put your dancing there. But Felecia, maybe both of you guys can make a video
Felecia Freely 40:19
wants to see me dancer
Dave Kelly 40:20
Rolando did a dance off for the robot. Oh.
Felecia Freely 40:25
Unless it was like an interesting story. Yeah, so it’s like prime TikTok content, like just what you describe. Okay, we’re doing a DNS challenge with the robot. I can see the TikTok that would go viral for
Dave Kelly 40:35
she was trying to
Rolando Rosas 40:36
give a lot of credit for my Kareena robot. Yeah, the
Dave Kelly 40:39
robot had nothing on it at all.
Rolando Rosas 40:43
So that was on our last episode with Professor Khan. And she actually which is interesting, we’re talking about search. She’s not on her robots. You are not on TikTok. And I said, Hey, you gotta get on it. There’s very little content on robots to begin with. And it’s actually serving a purpose. She’s helping folks in nursing homes and folks with dementia. She’s working to be working with a home that deals in neurology and therapy around that, and using this robotic AI. And that said, you want more awareness? You got to get on there. And maybe we’ll see more of her robots on TikTok.
Felecia Freely 41:14
I hope so.
Rolando Rosas 41:15
Man, I want to ask you one other thing here, Felecia. So brands can be on TikTok, you’ve laid out the game plan for brands, one of the things that I keep hearing a recurring theme is that you as yourself, if you’re an employee of a company, or as a solopreneur, you want to get your personal brand on there. Where do you fall on this? There are companies that are small, and some that are mega big, and they have employees? And maybe they’re not really utilizing those employees or fullest to carry the water and the message? What’s your advice to companies that that want to do something and you hear it, every employee could essentially be a personal brand for themselves, but at the same time ambassador for the brand. How does that work?
Felecia Freely 41:58
Yes, I think that it’s a multi layered phenomenon, because historically, companies and brands have kind of feared the internet a little bit, right? It’s the fear of bad press, kind of overwhelms the allure of good press. Right. So I think that’s like this psychological shift that would need to occur in order for brands to arrive at the opportunity that you just described, because it absolutely is an opportunity. There’s a brand that I follow that I talk about all the time, because they’re like an amazing case study. And they’re called Oak Willow, and they create sustainable household products. rather boring. If you ask me, no one would say that you should get on TikTok, for sure. But they have had videos that have gone viral multiple times, they have sold out of their inventory multiple times. And yes, they have a bunch of content that is about the actual products. But the videos that go viral, tend to be videos from the employees of that company, talking about what it’s like to work there, what it’s like to work for them, they have a very interesting profit sharing plan. And those are the kind of ideas that go viral on TikTok. So once again, imagine there’s a video of a company kind of talking about something that is interesting about their company or about their business or about working for them, that video goes viral, gets a bunch of exposure, and then you’re going to get a certain percentage of those viewers who actually check out the profile. And when they go there, they’re going to see videos of your actual product if they need the product. And they aligned with the philosophy of the video that went viral. That is the combination that gets people to buy on TikTok, right. But imagine if they were not open to talking about their company. None of their videos would be going viral brands are going to need to be open minded to those kinds of possibilities. But the ones that are they’ll see the benefits.
Rolando Rosas 44:08
Wow. Wow. masterclass on branding on TikTok. Felicia, you are amazing.
Dave Kelly 44:14
One other piece on the personal branding so Rolando touched on it, we have the companies that we work for, but I’m hearing more and more about the importance of branding yourself. And the example that you just gave Felicia with the workers of that brand would have videos. Also what it’s like to work for the company. are they posting that under their own personal TikToks? Or are they posting that under the Oaken Willow? Channels?
Felecia Freely 44:14
That is a great question. So I haven’t explored that. I’ve only seen their posts on the oak and Willow channel. Yeah, but that would be a really interesting experiment to run to see which is more effective. I’m not sure which one would be most more effective. I’d See, either way, I can see it playing out either way.
Rolando Rosas 45:03
We think you have the insights like nobody can. Felecia, you’ve got a lot on your plate. You’re working on so many things. What’s in store for Felecia here in the near future?
Felecia Freely 45:13
Yes, I am. So one of these peeps. So I don’t know when this is going to air, but it is December to 2022. And I am so one of these people that like, plans the next year, and I develop a whole plan, I do like a whole reflection. And I’m so excited for 2023 Words cannot describe. Yeah, the content is going to be on another level, because I’m going to have a creator studio, I’m so excited to have a creator studio, whatever, a real one, a real one. It’s gonna be amazing. When I moved into this apartment, it is cool, right? So the aesthetics of my apartment definitely have helped me to go viral on TikTok. But I can only imagine the possibilities if I have a dedicated space. So I’m so excited about that. But a lot of my time, and a lot of my thought energy is also going towards a tech product that I’m working on. I am a software engineer, even though my content is rarely actually about tech, again, right? I’m someone who’s obsessed with society. So in all of the tech products that I create, that always tends to be where I want to lean right, I want to develop some sort of tech product that brings us all closer together. And so that’s when I’m working on I’m working on an app and for content creators to turn their followers into a community. And so we’re developing all types of tools that creates that sense of community that gives everyone the experience of community. And it’s coming out in 2023, early 2023. And I absolutely cannot wait. I’m so excited.
Rolando Rosas 46:47
And I know that working on that must be a labor of love. Right? Get trying to get it right. Make sure it’s it represents you. Absolutely feels the mission at the same time.
Felecia Freely 46:59
Absolutely. It’s a lot of work. But I’ve launched some apps on the App Store before and there is no feeling like being able to tell family member or friend Hey, you can check out something that I built. You can search for it on your phone, it’s just the coolest thing. Maybe like you said, maybe that’s just the nerd in me. But I just think that’s the coolest freakin thing of all time is for other people to be able to experience something that I built. It’s insane. To me. It’s so cool.
Rolando Rosas 47:28
Discovery. I like it. I absolutely like let me see if I could get this thing. There we go. There we go. Proper. Proper clap for Felecia and her app, you want to go check it? Does it have a name? Or is it still under wraps or
Felecia Freely 47:43
it has a name, but I’m not sure if the name that it has now is going to be the launch name. So the best thing people can do is to definitely just follow me on TikTok or YouTube. And that’s going to be Felecia For The Win. And yeah, you will be kept up to date with all the advancements that have been in that regard.
Rolando Rosas 48:03
Awesome. Felecia, I’ve want to for those folks that follow us with the video, I’m showing Felecia For The Win. I would imagine if folks who want to get in touch you This is just one way to work probably multiple ways they can reach out to you on your website, Felecia For The Win. And what else? How would you like folks to reach out to you?
Felecia Freely 48:21
No, that’s perfect. It’s always a treat when people email me so right at the top, you’ll see a button for my email. And that’s how you get in touch. I can’t wait to see what you send me.
Rolando Rosas 48:32
It’s just such a ray of sunshine. Felecia, you make me hopeful bug world. champion the future you’ve made. There’s a lot to be cynical. And we live in crazy times. And when I see it, like just smile there. It’s a ray of sunshine. I’m looking right here at your website with you. And you just yeah, it just it just brings me bring a smile to my face. Yes. And I’m sure you’re bringing a smile to millions of people through your videos and teaching and all the social concepts that you put on your videos. And all the time. Was there anything else that you had on your mind? Or you wanted to say or you just feel like I want to get this out before I before we wrap?
Felecia Freely 49:15
No, I’ve got nothing. This was an awesome talk. Thanks for having me. I would like to comment on your last bit that you just sit there. And it’s just so true. And a lot of my content actually explores some of the unfavorable things that have happened in history. And I think a lot of people tend to process that as Oh, that’s the reason to not have hope, or that’s the reason why the future is going to be dystopian, and my perspective is always no, that’s the reason to be an agent for Good is the reason to make sure that you do your part. Right. We need you so so that means a lot to me to be a ray of sunshine, and I encourage everyone to do their part in bringing more good to the world.
Rolando Rosas 49:52
Oh, here, here, here here. Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So Felecia, it’s been a pleasure. I love having you on. Anytime you want to come back, you’re always welcome. Maybe when you relaunch your app, and you know, that’s ready to go, and you want to announce it to the world here to our audience, absolutely. Come back. I love talking to you. I love consuming your stuff. I even like some of the stuff that you’re talking about the dark stuff like about crack. Yeah, and all of that. And it just also sheds light on some of the topics that we know about. But we probably don’t know the full story.
Felecia Freely 50:33
Yeah, exactly. I’ve got a really interesting one that I’m about to record after I get off of this call. Hopefully, it shows up on your for you page, I think you’ll find it interesting.
Rolando Rosas 50:42
All right, what is this about? We can plug it here, even if it’s a couple of weeks later. So people that look for it.
Felecia Freely 50:47
So it is about a time period in American history, in which a particular group actually had initiatives to rewrite history textbooks and succeeded. Whoa, it’s insane. I can’t wait to get this off my chest.
Rolando Rosas 51:07
Oh, I can’t wait to see it. Yep, your mind. One last thing I want to ask you. I don’t know if you had time to look at it. I said, Would you happen to know how we got this whole? No elbows on the table? You have any chance?
Felecia Freely 51:20
Yes. So I did look into it. And so there are three, there are three reasons that are like most prevalent, right? First reason is that the whole No elbows on the table thing originated in England. And it’s this idea that the tables back then they were designed in such a way and like people communed around them in a way to which everyone was eating on one side. So if you put your elbows on the table, it would actually screw up the distribution of weight. And it presented this opportunity for the table to lean over. Right. And so it became this thing was just don’t put your elbows on the table. So that’s one thing, right? The second explanation, or the second explanation is that it’s just bad for your digestion. So it’s this idea that the posture that you have, when your elbows on the table, your ribs are caved in an interesting way, and that it makes it harder for you to digest your food. But the most popular answer, and I really searched for it, if the most popular answer is that there is no reason at all. It’s this idea that it’s just one of these social phenomenons that have just been passed down from generation to generation. Essentially, it’s because I said so it’s because it’s a product of because I said so. And that people don’t even know but they all they know is that my mom said it’s I’m going to tell my kids.
Rolando Rosas 52:43
Interesting, interesting. So it could be because tables collapsed. Because everybody’s on one side hunched over, or absolutely no reason. Exactly. Cause
Dave Kelly 52:52
just because it look poor if someone’s sitting in front of me and they have their elbows on the table. Yeah, look at that. Why? Cuz I don’t want to look at it
Felecia Freely 53:02
sounds good or bad. It seems aggressive, right? It’s hard to really explain. Maybe it just makes people feel uncomfortable. I don’t know.
Rolando Rosas 53:08
Really. I thought I’d ask the pro when it comes to the social constructs. And so you’ve left me with a conundrum here. I don’t know. I’m gonna have to dig into it and see if I can find more. But it’s fascinating. social construct expert, Felecia Freely on the podcast today. We’ve got her first episode as she kicked off our new podcast, audio format that’s available on circuitloops.com. We’ve enjoyed having her today. If you want more, check that episode, along with others that appear on that page. Again, that’s circuitloops.com and we will see you there.
Felecia Freely 53:49
Awesome. Thank you guys so much for having me. This was so fun.
Rolando Rosas 53:51
Awesome.
Outro 53:53
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