Dave Kelly 3:30
So Circuit Loops we get a quick it’s like a it’s like a technology insurance policy Rolando. We got a great guests today. Can I introduce him?
Rolando Rosas 3:38
Go for it. Go for it, Dave.
Dave Kelly 3:39
All right. So we have Craig Settles, aka CJ Settles. He works with community stakeholders who want broadband networks and help improve telehealth. He helps with economic development through health care, education and assisting local government and help them take advantage of some of this money that’s out there to help the underserviced areas of the world and bring them some value through telehealth. CJ, welcome to the show.
CJ Settles 4:08
Well, we’re morning. It’s great to be rather there.
Rolando Rosas 4:12
And where are you joining us from today? CJ.
CJ Settles 4:14
I am in Oakland Zen. center them nice weather today.
Rolando Rosas 4:19
Awesome. We got to have you on the show. Actually the beginning of the year. We’re filming this in November. And you dropped a lot of knowledge on us when you will hear about what’s happening in broadband telehealth as well as the funds that are available for communities and organizations regarding that but before we get to all of the nuggets you’re going to share with us today. I want to ask you because this is a tech show we talk to business people like yourself that are influencers but also tech. What technology are you geeking out on or fascinated with right now
CJ Settles 4:54
where I think the potential for AI to become more are prevalent. With birth grab ban telehealth and education. I think that’s going to be the future. We’re able to, for example, with us telehealth set up where you might have connections to your parents, right? And you’re wanting to make sure that they’re taking the medicine and they’re taking their daily exercise and so forth. Eri has the capability to be able to be unobtrusive but be part of that person’s life. So he might be with a smile, okay, the mom hasn’t done shopping because the cupboards a little bit better. That kind of outcome is the topics that are being taught the route within the telehealth, healthcare in general. And I recent broadband Saturday, that’s a lot to look at and to keep track of in these next couple of years. And it’ll always be a situation where in the early days, only folks with a big bezel it can allow those folks to take advantage of this technology. But as the technology becomes more prevalent, and it becomes cheaper, then you will start to see applications that will be more widespread within the community.
Rolando Rosas 6:32
Certainly no, we just talking about our last guest, Chad Rubin of Profasee where they’re using AI helping companies maximize profits. I’ve seen something where Google released recently where they’re using AI, basically to type in a couple of words, and it will create an image with whatever you’ve typed in, which is just insane. Some of the images that generate and using it in telehealth I can only imagine we’re just starting to scratch the surface with the application as it relates to telehealth and making people’s lives better from a healthcare perspective, right?
CJ Settles 7:10
The burly to determine if a person talking about elderly folks, if the person has fallen, or they just moved to a reclining position that fine. That’s pretty insane when you think about all the electrons and everything that makes it all possible. But it’s very valuable. But it’s not just for older folks, if you have kids or you yourself, you have opportunities to use your technology more effectively. And so as a result, everyone improves and their condition improves. And so I think it’s a big element that people have to think about as the planning for the next big thing.
Dave Kelly 8:03
Yeah, for sure. So now in order to bring AI that we need to get that network connectivity done, we need to get that broadband there first. So when we first met you, Craig, it was the beginning of the year, we’re wrapping up the year, we had a conversation this morning, we can’t believe it’s already November. But within the first 11 months of the year, what’s been created to allocate funds to bring broadband networks into some of these underserviced areas. Has there been anything particular with any of these bills that have passed this year?
CJ Settles 8:36
It would have been at the end of last year, when the big bill got passed, that allowed spending for broadband, but other types of infrastructure within Congress, right, you get a bird pass, but then you have to go through after maybe a two or three month process of creating the specifics of how the bear will be implemented. So even though we’re talking about money, what are the rules where they get compliance issues and so forth? Right, sir, that two or three months in the beginning of the year, that was everything that we’re going to talk about what will happen? What will be the rules? How will you use the fun just from the Commerce Department? Do we allow things to the funding from several different sources is very mundane. It’s the stuff that the average person, even the process involved with broadband, of hiring, think about, but that’s the nature of the government process. So as we then went into summer, that’s when we started to really spread understand things like every study has to have a broadband office and now there’s this big rush to Get those offices staffed up. But then at the community level, a lot of our communities are getting ready for what will be the planning session. Right. And I say this because right now is the time for if you have a good idea, if you have a community group that you know, you want to see get more engaged in broadband and telehealth and I have been technologies that will be made possible because of the grant right now is the time to bring all of your creativity to bear at the community level. Because what has happened that in the next couple of months, the state coordinators, the broadband coordinator, the digital inclusion folds, and so forth, they’re calling out the letters that will govern how the money will be allocated, and for whom? And whether we do a project that’s just a couple of 1000 buyers? Or do we start to put together several parts or several different elements within the community to make a broader kind of program? Proposal? I can’t emphasize this enough. Because Lana worries, our community activists, and people are really concerned about will this money, get to where it’s needed, while at the same time having the state coordinators and Brad van offices and so forth, put out the rules that govern the process? And one of the things that has to be taken into account? Everyone’s not going to get this money. Right, not because of intent. Right? It’s just you will have more people bringing proposals to the table at the city level at the county level that goes up to the state level, eventually into a state plan. Right. But you can’t run everyone a president office doesn’t have the staff to be able to deal with hundreds or maybe call dozens are proposals that we can’t manage all of that. So they have to make a decision on who funded on their movie, they will say, okay, the state has its own fun. So we’ll figure out how to merge that fun with the NTIA, the Commerce Department that is managing this grant. And all of these things have to be planned out in these next few months. And again, I can’t emphasize enough the communities have to get involved. In fact, I’ve had conversations, firing with just about every day with different affairs talking about how do we make the process be equitable, that efficient. And sometimes it’ll seem like those are working against each other. But you have to reconcile these issues and move the ball forward. Because the worst thing that could happen is you’re down the road two or three years, and you find out, you’ve left people down, you left people that we’ve wanted to serve fall through the cracks. And when you get into the middle of a broadband implementation, that is the wrong time to find out that you’ve done things that weren’t to the great advantage of the community.
Rolando Rosas 13:54
Well, let me ask you about that. That’s because that’s an important point. I’ve been listening to folks that when they’re talking about broadband deployment, one of the things that’s a concern would be like, if we’re just talking like speeds, right download speeds and upload speeds, let’s say 100 Meg is the standard that we use, that’s really not going to be good enough, in two or three years, when deployment actually happens and fiber optic gets put into the ground for those communities. And that we really need to elevate that to standards that are going to be in line with with the working world around the world and competitive markets. We should be laying gig fiber. And if we’re going to put in broadband into some communities, let’s put gig not 100 Meg’s or 200 Meg’s, which in two or three more years will seem like dial up.
CJ Settles 14:41
Yes. And that is one of the challenges for the broadband offices, right? You have to video record the hearing and now you know, what is actually available on the market, what kind of speeds what type of connections and routers and all of those geeky things minutes. All right, but you at the same time have to say, what happens if someone creates a new Facebook that becomes all the rage, but it requires two gigs of download speed. Right? What happens if someone comes up with a telehealth app or a collaboration app that students can use? That just blows off? Everything else that has been done? What do you do? If you haven’t are alive for that? And yes, you have to look at a five year what are the wildest things that could be created in these next years? And for artificial intelligence, Smart City applications and so forth? Right? You’ve got to be looking to the future while dealing with the here and now. The technologies implementation right now, it’s not easy. I’ll tell you right now is not easy process. But it should be done. Right? Because otherwise, you will have the situation where, for example, when Obama became president, the first thing we did was have a $7 billion dollar broadband stimulus program, which was great a number of those projects had to deal with the fact that what does reality call it 2014 15. Right, it changed it a change. And constant change is what we are dealing with. And we just have to be figured out the best ways that you can deal with errors now, but deal with craziness. Dive deer down the road, oh, and it’s
Dave Kelly 16:45
like, you have to almost be able to predict the future, you can look at different mapping type software, you can look to see where the people are, and the growth and how many people will be in this particular area, and five or 10 years, some of those things are somewhat predictive. And there’s trends to it. But the unpredictable trend of what’s laying down the road that could double the requirement for bandwidth in a particular area, in my opinion, looks like a lot of bandwidth is being wasted. And I wonder if there would be a way where you could almost prioritize the available bandwidth, from things like telehealth and education to produce entertainment and, and fun, I don’t know if that’s possible, but I can see the challenge in front of the communities
CJ Settles 17:33
with the fiber and the other technologies that you’re putting into place. And when you tech people say, Okay, this is what we need for now. And these are the number of conduits and all these likes are these really serious, geeky things by and double it? Whatever you have your engineers come in and say, This is what we need to be future for. So do it now. And you think, okay, if we do it now, should we just double it now, that’s hard, that’s hard. Because you’re trying to work with a budget, you’re going to have $35 billion when broken down to the 50 states and the territories, it isn’t that much. And if you start looking at the county level, and you go down one more layer to the city layer, okay, that’s not as much money as you think. So the one of the things I would advise is that you look at the delivery system, because if you look at the things that happen while you bring broadband to the home, there’s all kinds of connectors and cables and so forth. Right? That I think the key thing is to look at the point of origin, right? Because if you put them in cyber in the point of origin, and you find out that you don’t have a knife until five years down the railroad, a curve, that’s gonna be very difficult to rip that stuff out and plan whatever is popular, more efficient, etc. So, in the beginning, create these points that will have more capability as community goes along for you. I look at things like what happens if there was another pandemic, when we look at the impact that having a whole bunch of workers, and a sudden we’re home, like working from home, and all of a sudden, all of your kids are going home because they had to get away from the dangers of the pandemic, right? That just curl a lot of our systems, as you pointed out, you can’t predict everything. But someone’s got to be able to say what happens if we have another pen Demick what happens when we have a catastrophic first fires by what’s the big thing on the west coast by all us? Forest narrows, especially in California, right? But you look at climate change. What happens if the shorelines on various Atlantic Ocean cities are a what happens if your systems, your broadband systems, your telehealth and education systems, someone has to be thinking doomsday scenarios don’t like to talk about it, but on top about those folks and bring them out to have for TV time by but there are folks somewhere working on doomsday scenarios.
Rolando Rosas 20:43
Well, wow, that’s interesting, because the pandemic showed us how unprepared we were for the pandemic. And I want to ask you about that, CJ, because I know that you’ve posted quite a bit on LinkedIn, about your adventures working in Nevada, and some of the things that you’ve done there. And I want to surface that a little bit. So that people who may be listening to this and trying to think about, okay, how best can we put a proposal forward? Or do some of these initiatives tell us about what you’ve been involved in with either the state of Nevada, or I’ve seen you also post about the city of Chattanooga and libraries? What’s happening right now that folks that are listening to this and say, Yeah, we could do something like that, too.
CJ Settles 21:23
One of the things that is very prevalent, pretty much across the country, is that states are establishing broadband action teams. And their responsibility is to, in essence, do the needs assessments to determine what I but they asked me to structure programs, systems where you can prioritize, I know you’re going to be most responsible for, right? Is it going to be community centers, libraries, and so forth. But there has to be a priority system that is allowing for change number one, but it is better to deal with this. Now the priorities kinds of things, then to try to figure out in the middle of one of those programs, you need to know how you’re going to move with the money that you will have. And then you have to figure out if there are changes? How are we going to deal with that? If we’re going to have conflicts? How are we going to deal with that? So there’s a planning process that, again, I think incorporates a lot of broadband action teams to ask these kinds of questions.
Rolando Rosas 22:43
And what would you say with that, so that if there are teams out there that you’ve been involved with, who would you say is out there in the forefront and really thinking about these things where maybe other counties or other municipalities are further behind? Who would you say is one of those leaders right now,
CJ Settles 22:58
Chattanooga? Definitely. Chattanooga has always had a reputation from the beginning of their network. Oh, I think it was like 2011. Very weird, very have thought about these kinds of issues. And these changes that priority and so forth. A lot. Talk to some of the folks in Chattanooga is the needs assessment, how important it is to have constant line of communication with the people who are actually being served. One of the worst things that you can do as a ministration, as a state that organization is that you think that what the state does, is the most important, right? But you have almost have 100% Certainly, that you’re with a lot of things wrong, if you take that approach. Whereas if you go to the communities if you go to places like Long Beach and Santa Monica, Chattanooga, many places in Maine, there are a number of places within Nevada they have 17 counties, many of the counties have their own county, Brad brand action team. And then Valero goes down to then places like Henderson, Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada, Reno, right. And so where we are basically pushing decisions to the cities with some sort of structured activity, to try to figure out if you have to make a change, you have to structure how the money is being spent and so forth. You try to do that so that the community has an environment from the beginning to the end,
Rolando Rosas 24:57
and I’ve got here on the screen one of those examples you I mentioned Chattanooga, and how they did give 1000 Free telehealth appointments to the lowest income communities in Chattanooga. And it says plus home internet access on new Chromebooks as well as training, did they already deploy that they already do this?
CJ Settles 25:18
Applying that now they’ve prepped the structure in place, they put the partnerships in place, that’s a big thing. Within Chattanooga, there are probably eight or 10 different partnerships in Writer with this one project. All right, there’s Habitat for Humanity. There’s EPB, which is the public utility that runs the network, there is local neighborhood type organizations, and then several classes of national organizations. And then you have the health care provider. And I feel really bad, like Carrie, remember the name, but it’s all of these pieces together. And they have a very good program, a mindset, we can mix and match organizations and nonprofits and so forth, for the job at hand. Right. So the whole program with the telehealth they put together various partnerships, right, but they may have an entirely different project related to energy conservation, or management, and so forth. And so there’ll be a different set of folks that will be involved with that project. And they seem to have a good way to have the egos
Rolando Rosas 26:46
check that the door, the important part,
CJ Settles 26:48
cities have issues with lots of egos, the bigger the city, the mirror, there are these kinds of ego driven processes that are not helpful to a lot of folks as much as you can, you can take this and create these programs, but you’d have to take away the silos because governments, I think their nature is to create all of these silos, and savannas is unintentional, it’s not someone woke up one day and said, I got a burials per silo, because I don’t like those people and those who were there, it’s just the nature of the beast, you have responsibilities for your own area, that’s what you’re getting paid for. So you tend to be very localized in how you deal with
Dave Kelly 27:38
things. Sorry to interrupt to Craig. I’m hearing something from earlier in our conversation, you were talking about being creative. So I think the creativity here isn’t necessarily a really good needs analysis to why one group needs that broadband, I’m hearing that creativity is dropping silos, communicate within groups. And if you can do that you might be reassessing the priority of where that money would be allocated. Because you said it can’t be evenly distributed, being open to communicate and like you said, dropping the egos coming together forming that proposal that comes together and then it gives them priority to some of that funding in Chattanooga has come up a few times.
Rolando Rosas 28:24
Yes, yes. PC Mag rated them as number one city for remote working and and because of the high speeds. So it’s one of the best digital cities to live in right now. According to PC Mag.
CJ Settles 28:38
Right. Now, if I look at say, Maine, because they’ve been at this for a little while with the broadband and the broadband action teams and so forth, right? Are we looking at traveling there? You’re obviously but let’s similar to both of these is that they created a like a weekly or bi weekly come together and talk about ideas, right? Anybody can show up? Right? They’re doing zoom. Now Chattanooga started in like their first or second year of operation, where they had a monthly program where people just showed up. And what that does is you let ideas flow in an on hostile environment, right? Because we’re brainstorming can be a dry if you get these intense people within that like particular community or groups or communities and so forth, right? But if you do the creative process, where you just let ideas flow, you can sort out the ideas and figure out which ones are practical and which ones aren’t later, but add a process of a like, like set a weekly maybe bi weekly, you just you turn on the system, they turn on Zoom or what have you, whoever’s there. was there and you get these ideas flowing, because people as humans, right, when we get together, right, he people will come up with ideas. And one person will say, Oh, this is great, let’s do this. And then Senator figured out how I could do less as well as less here. And then we can really make strides. And that’s the energy. That is the energy I sat in on a session in Maine, they were nice enough to let me just hang out. And it’s an interesting exercise of understanding the art of the possible. That’s really what we’re talking about. Because as we go from where you are now, to where we’re going to go to and say three years, right, with the planning, and then the mapping, and then so forth, right? There can be a lot of change, there’s gonna be a lot of opportunities for partnerships and all of that stuff. But if we can create some sort of process where people can make their voices heard, some things are gonna be bad ideas, right? But you can easily say to someone, this isn’t a personal criticism. But maybe this would be a better way to do what you are thinking about doing that environment. That’s key. That’s just to me, that is key.
Rolando Rosas 31:29
No. Science. You’re right. The hardest thing at the end of the day is people aspect. I’ve said this about a lot of different things. When it comes to technology, technology is what it is. The hardest part is the people side, right is getting people to cooperate, collaborate, share, prioritize, the technology is they’ll put fiber or they’ll put wireless relay that’s going to come and then all the other pieces and devices that come with it. But let me ask you something, CJ about the future. So let’s move forward and maybe into next year or the following year. What does the future look like once these funds are distributed? I know you said that the end of the day, when you look at 45 billion, you spread it over 50 states and the territories, even if you divided it equally, and you started moving that into the local communities, it won’t amount to tons of money for every municipality. So what’s the impact of this 45 billion actually have on the lives of people once it’s all distributed? And the projects are up and running?
CJ Settles 32:36
Wow, that’s an interesting question. I think that what we will see is in the next six months, if they’re doing it, right, states will have feelers out to people in the communities to understand what they need. And when you get done. With all the needs assessment, you’ve got to write the plan. And that’s where you prioritize everything. I put a Marcos where there are partnerships and so forth, I and on the one hand, you have to go to the NTIA, the agency and make sure that all of your fans are in compliance. That’s a big thing right? There, we’ve got to deal with the mapping issue, which I don’t think it’s going to be easy. And at the same time, you’re also checking in with your communities and saying, Look, we had lots of great ideas, right? We had no choice but to make a priority. Somebody had to be on the top of this craziness, and someone not going to may be happy is better to deal with that now, or on the early days of this than two years down the road. When someone’s like, well, I didn’t expect that was gonna happen. I didn’t expect this and that and this and so forth. He’s gonna have a certain amount of expectation management that has to happen at the community level, you’ve got to make sure that people understand what’s going to happen. And these are real struggles for the infrastructure, right. There’s also a part of the program, we’re looking at digital inclusion, digital literacy, things that help people use the technology actually is after it’s been built, no true. And I’m coming a little crazy, because a lot of those tend to be very neighborhood specific. But again, if you’re the agency, if you are the state broadband office, right, so your understanding need, but then you’ve also got to understand that people is ultimately at the end of this thing. So y’all explain to people this is what’s going to happen. So that as much as you can mitigate some of the craziness and the pushback and so forth, but I think it was also important that we should be that In the NTIA money should be looked at as a catalyst for ELA partnerships. If you look at the Chattanooga program for the 1000, telehealth appointments, right, they’ve got several partnerships, right? Because it’s not only important to have the technology, you need to have policies, city policies that are favorable to having or developing good health, within a community, where are the access points to get stress reduction, but the big thing is mental health issues, right. But you also have to worry about people getting their food, right? If they only have a corner store, which has minimal healthy foods. That’s a problem. All right. And so having these partnerships help you understand that, but at the same time, it also looks at additional money. So there may be four or five different money sources with a single project. Right? Again, if you bring the people together and see who’s got what and so forth and so on, that you will have, I think a better opportunity find more money beyond the end TAS program, or the
Rolando Rosas 36:28
strengthen numbers, is that what you’re saying strengthen numbers in putting partnerships with between probably organizations that are on the frontlines with health outreach, as well as the technology portion of it in order to strengthen the proposal. It’s a process,
CJ Settles 36:43
right, that’s there. It can be a little crazy. I just strong an organization that is within the Health and Human Services. They’re the National Library of Medicine, right? They have money for programs that help educate people about health, and telehealth, and mental health and so forth. Right through I asked them there’s So does it make sense to have your funds be tapped for programs that bring in the libraries, that the libraries are then providing information to communities? I used our broadband, which can be used for specifically for telehealth, right, but that organization is like several layers into the structure. A but on the flip side, that’s why you’ve got to have people that they just go find who’s doing what. So I can figure out how I can add to my broadband solution or my telehealth solution. And there I have foundations, corporate foundations, local foundations, all of these are very, when we’re talking about broadband, good health, telehealth, education, workforce development, all of these entities out there kept bringing into the picture.
Rolando Rosas 38:14
Yeah, there has to be multiple, again, strengthen numbers. And I think that there’s a lot of resources out there that folks in access, he talked about NTIA, the library Medical Association, I believe, and several others, CJ, you’ve lived a long life longer than I have in longer than Dave has. One of the things that I like asking folks that come on, is you’ve gone through a journey in your life, where you’ve ups as well as downs. What are some of the folks that have played either a role in either influencing you or shaping you or even books where you’ve had an aha moment that you can share with our audience and seek that made me see the light, or I’ve read this book one time, and boy, it really gave me like a new trajectory on life where those people are books that you see, you could start
CJ Settles 39:01
with books, there was a otherwise you found it, but it was saying how to make your point in 30 seconds. bastardizing the idol, but let it die is a very short book, How to make a presentation in 30 seconds. Because so many times that’s all you have when people talk about the elevator pitch. That’s a 32nd commercial and so to develop and shape that has been key to a lot of what I do. For I found this book, I believe 25 years ago, I still use it from time to time, I gave my best friends always kids like our kids. I said, Look, you should be done. Now. They probably don’t look at that until maybe 20 years from now. That’s when that’s I believe in the ability to communicate a one on one. And it is is everything matter best pieces of advice I got was when I got a job in public relations. And it was ironically, a company that had a system where doctors could rent computer time and do EKGs from their office lady like private physician, right? And so easy use the patient, I wasn’t revenue stream and so forth. For the doctor. It was great. It was like literally one of the first telehealth options that was in nine teen ad. And so I got this job. And the reason that I got the job was because I had done a bunch of stuff on campaigns that tracked to the job that they wanted done and PR and know anything about PR you really and truly, right. I was like, Oh crap, now what? I got a job, what do we do? So I said, let me go to the university. And I found a professor who was willing to talk to me about this job that I had, I didn’t know what I was going to do. And he said, you go to a PR professional isn’t a corporate environment. And then you go find an agency, a small agency, right? And you talk to those two people. And the thing was, that’s where you’re going to get the knowledge, or at least a starting point for how when you start up working with this company, you can actually show that you actually know something, and be able to move forward. So it was the confidence that that professor, but it was those two contacts with a corporate guy, iser aluminum, and a guy that had four people on his staff. And there is people were key. I don’t know, I don’t talk to them much now. But the fact that they were willing to talk to me, that made the most difference in moving forward. And so here I am today, but I still have lessons learn from those initial meetings that I still carry with me
Rolando Rosas 42:26
today. Awesome. That’s terrific. So they have no, and so that’s terrific. CJ, your story is one full of very interesting folks that you’ve met along the way. We really enjoyed having you again, on the podcast
Dave Kelly 42:44
for Craig, we have so much to learn from you Rolando. I’m sure he and I can talk to you for another hour or so easily. In our hour. So in conclusion, so we’ve been speaking with Craig at CJ Settles, author and advocate helping communities to bring broadband access to improve lives of people and produce better health outcomes using the latest innovation in telehealth, hey, CJ, tell our audience where can people find you?
CJ Settles 43:18
If they can send an email to Craig@CJspeaks.com. LinkedIn is my social media of choice for business. I have a website CJspeaks.com And I have a lot of my articles and so forth, almost got a good project working with Nevada, there was great information, but I’m still adding material. Nevertheless, foundational information. That’s the biggest value of my website, I believe, because I talk about telehealth, the intersection between telehealth and broadband. And there’s lots of how to articles in those pages and
Rolando Rosas 44:01
find those right now. We’re showing your website CJspeaks.com. And you’ve got a whole lot of articles here. And resources for folks to digest if they want to move forward and maybe trying to get access to those dollars are some best practices on how to establish programs within the communities. Awesome, CJ, I love it. I really appreciate you coming in today, sharing with us what’s happening right now hopefully going to flow here very soon. And folks are lining up getting their proposals and their grant writing so that the money could filter into some of those local programs.
CJ Settles 44:35
Yep. And I appreciate the job that you guys do because you seem to make technology understandable. And I always have an open door for anybody who can help that process because it’s not easy to translate all that for the average person to understand, and I appreciate what it is that you guys do.
Rolando Rosas 44:57
Awesome. Thank you CJ, appreciate you coming on. Today, and we will see you the next time on What The Teck?.
CJ Settles 45:05
Alrighty, thank you. All right.
Dave Kelly 45:07
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Outro 45:24
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