Rolando Rosas 30:15
well you know what let me Hey Cory let’s do a pro tip with what Barbie just said rewind fat five seconds back Barbie, I want to do with pro tip go ahead sorry go ahead Barbie Say that again.
Barbie Brewer 30:31
Pro Tip. Okay, I think managers define success by the results that they’re achieving, not by the time they see someone sitting at a desk or in front of a computer.
Rolando Rosas 30:39
I agree 100 100,000% on that, because if you can achieve if you can produce this way, if you can produce, get the work done, whether you’re sitting at your desk, like you’re there in your home, or in the office, why should it matter?
Barbie Brewer 30:57
Right, and the risk is actually greater the other direction managers need to get better actually at recognizing burnout. Because people are actually largely putting in more hours as they’re working at home, especially during the COVID and shutdowns, right like nothing else to them as a work.
Rolando Rosas 31:14
Area people are people are working longer, in even way before the pandemic. It’s a bunch of studies by Ernst and Young all the all the all the consulting firms did a bunch of teleworking, telecommuting studies for the government years ago. And they all are saying the same thing now that they said 10-15 years ago, that people work longer people work smarter, they’re healthier, they have a little bit better mental stability, because of all of those things they don’t have to do. And I heard you say something? That is an amazing statistic. Speaking of working from home, and its impact on people. I heard you say that you were talking to a law enforcement official. And you had mentioned in this conversation, this talk and one of the conferences you were at that this particular police officer and mentioned to you that driving from Modesto, California into the Bay Area’s about 90 minutes a day and over half of the domestic abuse cases were as a result of husbands who had to do that commute on a daily basis. Yeah. Amazing. Like it couldn’t have blew my mind that that kind of commute would have that impact on people.
Barbie Brewer 32:22
Yeah, people don’t realize the impact of these large commutes. They also don’t realize the impact of the communities losing their top talent to other communities instead of being able to keep it within their community. This officer had used he I think he used to work somewhere on the peninsula. And then he moved to Modesto. And we were somewhere in the peninsula. And I said why is why are why is spousal abuse, so much more common in Modesto? It wasn’t a stat it was an anecdotal opinion, of course, but these are I actually said, I actually asked him if it is because I had an idea that it could be because of the Absolutely. The people who have to commute every day are they get home, they’re at wit’s end, and we see a lot more spousal abuse from men who do long commutes than that don’t. And that was huge for me. But you know, but you know, too I’m just as excited about, you know, we have brilliant talent, let’s just keep it in America for now to keep things simple. But we have brilliant talent in just about every city in America. Every city in America does not have brilliant role models to look at about what they can come and achieve in life. What if take your parents to work day had a plethora of different professions and opportunities to open people’s eyes up to and say, well, I could be this and different examples and just what they see on the news and what they they see on the TV, but healthy examples. I think that could be huge. I think it’s also huge. If they stay in their communities, they make a lot of money in their community keeps a tax revenue, instead of all going to California or Texas or Washington or New York. And I think it’s it’s awesome if their communities can teach their cat their tax revenue, and have them frequently the restaurants and their stores and their shops, and have them being role models in the community. This is how we’ll change the world to become a better place not passing different laws. It’s going to be what people do to support each other. And the opportunity we provide each other not the opportunity that government gives us. That’s that’s not what we really need.
Rolando Rosas 34:24
Local local economies are are they have positive impacts as a result of this because I own instead of going to the office every day, and having that lunch, or getting my hair cut while I’m over by the office during break. I go down the street and buy from Susie’s hardware shop or bake shop, get my lunch there or take my breaks and go down Street to do whatever I need to do my dry cleaning right here down the street rather than in the city. Yeah. Awesome, awesome.
Barbie Brewer 34:57
Little things, but it’s these little things that are gonna make a difference. And it’s great for diversity to write, if you just look at the different demographics across the country, not let alone the world, you’ll see that there are centers of certain demographic identities. And why make the move? Why not? Why not build strong communities that already exist? Why have the white have to change the community to make it strong? That people who live right there should be able to do that?
Rolando Rosas 35:26
Well, I think what you’re saying is, I’m just gonna paraphrase is that work is changing the nine to five come in, fit clock in clock out. And obviously, for folks that are in a factory job, or are for flipping burgers, I had to do that in high school and in college. And that’s that, that may not change as much, but for everybody else that’s connected and working on a computer, you could do that job virtually anywhere, right? So work doesn’t mean sitting in an office nine to five, it doesn’t mean that you got to, you know, be in that cubicle every single day. And it probably time with the time Time for some change in that we think of work differently.
Barbie Brewer 36:07
I will tell you, though, I do think that the teacher, the firefighter, the the law enforcement agent, they all benefit hugely from the tech industry getting off the roads. If you don’t, if you don’t think the nurse is
going to be really happy that her her normal two and a half hour commute became one hour, because there were fewer cars on the road. It it helps the environment. I mean, it really does extend it doesn’t, you know, and then maybe you’ll get more hospitals and more medical facilities in your community. Because you’ll have more people living and breathing in that community. Right? It really has a, it can have a global to meet positive events,
Dave Kelly 36:49
I think we need to explore some of these concepts a little bit more, you know, we talk a lot about benefits for the employee benefits for the employer. But Barbie, you’ve kind of enlightened me and opened up my eyes to some of the benefits from that local community aspect. And the you know, the comments about the stress level of folks that have spent, you know, from Modesto, coming home after 90 minutes, and kind of what that brings home, some of that negative energy. Those are some, you know, some things that I hadn’t necessarily thought about, I think maybe I was just being a little too selfish and just thinking, me and my family here. And I can be just as productive for my boss when I’m here. And I’m happy and my boss is happy. But I kind of like some of the direction that you’ve taken this conversation with that community. Excuse me, the community aspect of it all.
Barbie Brewer 37:39
Yeah, and I and that’s one of my little things I like to say is, is that let’s focus the world around community and not companies. And this is a time we can do that. And honestly, I do fundamentally believe as well. And I don’t want to get political. But redistributing wealth has shown through history not to work. redistributed opportunity is something we haven’t tried yet.
Rolando Rosas 38:03
Can I ask you now that you talk about redistributing, I want to I want to ask you about something you said that was so fascinating, I’d never heard of it. I’ve talked to a few other people. I’ve only had it since I heard you say this, I’ve only had one person that told me they heard anything like that, which was, again, taking from that conference that you were in, you had mentioned that there’s a one good way or one way to try to address the homeless problem. And that would be very effective. And that’s would be taking a lot of these office buildings that are terrible buildings. A lot of them today are empty. And a lot of the times they sit empty because a lot of folks don’t even they’re not in those buildings, and take that space and convert that into shelters for the homeless. And a lot of these spaces are in big cities, small towns all over the place. And they’re sitting idle or are half empty, in some cases right now full, fully empty, just completely empty. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because I’ve never heard that. And I think that’s a whole nother way of trying to address an inequality issue. So yeah,
Barbie Brewer 39:08
yeah, I’ve been saying that for a long time. We have some, you know, I’m out here in Silicon Valley, right? We got a lot of big rich tech people. They make a lot of promises. They say they care a lot about a lot of things. They don’t need a lot of money. We could have a pretty quick solution if all these big giant buildings they stuffed people into they actually made drug treatment centers, mental health facilities, homeless shelters, it would improve not only the life of those in need, but the life of everyone else not to have to feel kind of like they’re not being taken care of. Right. See them in in tents on the corner and think not only you got you get to Illinois, right? What’s the safety of this? My kids walk to school? Have they been screened by Megan’s Law before they set up on my corner, but you also feel guilt for it and I feel this like, it’s, it’s a no brainer to me. But you know, it’s going to cost money to support these people. But far less than what we’re donating right now to research it, instead of doing something about it.
Rolando Rosas 40:13
I think it’d be nice. If the tech industry, through their muscle behind what they’re doing and yours is that there’s a lot of real estate that’s not being that could be repurposed. And that it can create a win win situation, like you’re saying, workers can work from home, they can be just as productive. A lot of those office spaces, this could either be donated, at least to nonprofits to run some of this. And instead of the tax base, which actually, in the end pays for a lot of this stuff, you know, treating people in emergency rooms, treating people that that may have mental health issues or drug problems, treating people to house them somewhere. This would be one much lower cost way of trying to get at that, that problem today in society, I certainly have hope that your idea flourishes because I think it has a lot of potential. I don’t know, where the business I haven’t heard any business leaders that that maybe have a say in these big office towers? What how they feel about it.
Barbie Brewer 41:24
They probably won’t like me very much. Love to see their their name of their company on big tall buildings. Yes. Right. So keep your company name up there, that’s gonna be the new billboards or whatever. Right? If you if you’re providing your building for that, and go ahead and keep that that wonderful, and they
Rolando Rosas 41:39
don’t need to take it down. Right, you know, housing provided by Salesforce or provided by Cisco, or, or Apple or you guys have a lot of them in your backyard over there. Yeah, I mean, they have remote offices out here in the DC area that are smaller, they have towers, but the towers here 10, storeys, 10 storeys instead of 40, or whatever. Or you guys have big campuses out there as well.
Barbie Brewer 42:04
Yeah, I mean, there’s so many problems we have in America right now that aren’t complicated. They’re just people who say they want to do good, but aren’t willing, really willing to put their their assets behind that in a way that’s constructive. And I’m guilty of that, too. Right. I haven’t I have a guest for my house. I could offer that someone I don’t know. But but there’s but we can do more.
Rolando Rosas 42:26
Agreed. Agreed, I think so, I want to come back a little bit because we’re talking about keys to success. So for those managers that are watching us either live or even during the playback, and they’re thinking, while these are some interesting things, what else can a manager that is looking at the situation right now, think, you know, when they’re thinking about what what can we do, should we make all meetings virtual so that if they do bring back people into the office, is that something that would have a positive impact on either remote workers or also those workers that are working from the office?
Barbie Brewer 43:02
You know, it’s, it’s hard, a lot of people do want to get back to the office, and I don’t blame them, I think we’re going to see a rush back to the office, and then we’re going to start seeing a decline again, if people are given the choice, but I think initially, you’re gonna have a lot more people thinking they choose to want to be back there. But it’s hybrid, the best of both worlds, you know, people want to be in the office, they can if they don’t, they don’t have to. But it’s not that simple, right? Sometimes it’s these functions can these can’t, these, this level of employee can this level can’t and it becomes a crisis, an us versus them thing, even if it is completely just of choice, it can still create an us versus them. So there’s I consider them to be remote friendly, when you tell people work where you want. And, you know, take what you get with it, it might not be as great of an experience, but you know, you’re getting paid, you’re getting a job. So be happy. Or you can be remote first. And remote first would be a little bit more, you know, one face per screen. So if people are in the office, it’s more not built around meeting in the office, per se. And not not having everyone on the call was and all the chitter chatter that happens five minutes before the meeting discusses is starts because they’re all talking around the conference room table and you feel like a complete outsider. And there’s just there’s just little things you have to do to make it work well. And there’s a little bit of acceptance, you have to do that. It will always feel different for people who have you know, it’ll feel different for the people who are remote than it does to people in the office and that’s okay. As long as you’re not trying to pretend that difference doesn’t exist.
Dave Kelly 44:40
Right? You know, it’s crazy that the past 18 plus months we’ve all been forced to adopt new technology. Maybe cultures have changed over the last 18 months with you know, the forced, you know, work from home. But Barbie, have you seen any individuals that were on one side of the fence? Pre pandemic, they were forced to try something new. And has their mind shifted to, you know what? Maybe this can be a great thing. Have you seen anybody just change their tune?
Barbie Brewer 45:14
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So you know that I was an advocate for remote work long before COVID existed, I had my own health journey that I went on that required me to, you know, be on chemo for a while. And, and a lot of people then were starting to be interested in it because of the talent war, but only because they wanted to get more talent, and they wanted to get it cheaper. Not really, because they wanted to have make it a thriving idea. Yeah. And then I had a lot of people say, No, that would never work for me, no, that would never work for me. And a lot of those people are now like, I don’t want to go back. To go back, I just want to, you know, I want to go back when I want to go back. But when I don’t want to go back, I don’t want to go back. And I don’t want to have to say these two days a week, maybe I want to go to, you know, New York, that was that week, and I want no days that week, the next week I went for and they start to realize they they’re gonna miss the flexibility. And I think there’s some people who still don’t see that because this this shutdown hasn’t been flexible. But when the flexibility starts to come back more, they go back to the office more, but they also can go off more that will help the kids going back to school, I think is important. And, and I think it’s important for work to it’s impacted women a lot more than men with with the kids from home. And depending on where you are, this resonates for you if you’re not in California and might not. Um, but I do think that kids going back to school also keeps people more tethered to one location. But that in the summers and things like that, I think they’ll really enjoy their flexibility.
Rolando Rosas 46:48
Let me ask you about talking about different remote first or being being an option. And GitLabs 100% remote, right? Yes. What’s that, like? Being fully remote for those folks that are either starting to be remote? Or are looking to go in that direction? What’s that? Like? What’s What’s the Workday for you like? Or what’s that experience like for as a manager?
Barbie Brewer 47:15
Yeah, it’s it’s funny, and it’s, it’s, I loved it. But I’ll have to confess, I’m a little bit of an introvert. And I was, you know, in my my health situation at the time, but I got to know so many amazing people from so many different places. As a manager, I hired some amazing recruiters in Nigeria, I have someone I love and Russia, my very, very favorite HR app ops person, her name was Brittany, and she’s a military spouse and her husband was very successful in the military in terms of going up into the higher levels, I’m not familiar with the military terminology a whole lot. She already had a quit her job, every time her husband moved to a new base. And then with GitLab, she was able to keep her job and build a great
career for herself instead of having to quit jobs every year. So for me, it was great, it was fun. Because we did get to get together, you know, every nine months, we’d go to Cape Town, or we’d go to Croatia, or we go to Crete, or Prague, you know, we’d go to all these different countries and just play essentially, because we didn’t want to wait for meeting to get worked on. Otherwise, no work is gonna get done. But we still wanted to meet together. And it was it was just fun, where you didn’t we didn’t have to worry about the work a whole lot. We went on excursions together, we had a lot of ugcs, which could be about career development, or could be about yo yo tricks, right? And, and partners and spouses were invited. And if they wanted to do a UGC, on something, they’re an expert in the other GitLabs could come and join that and hear about it, right. So taking all that money spent on rent, and facilities and janitorial staff and all that good stuff was spent for actually building connections and relationships. And in addition, I don’t think they do this anymore. But when I was there, they also would give you if you traveled to a different city, or town or country, whatever have you and you met with another person that GitLab, then they would they would reimburse your trip $200 per GitLab that you met with while you were there. So it could pay for your plane ticket or it could pay for your hotel room and, and it would pay more depending on how many get lab hours you met with. So it encouraged people to to get together and meet. But in a much different way the work could get done. A honestly a GitLab had people in over 60 countries. So we did a lot of things asynchronously, which was a different muscle to build. A lot of yeah, there’s a lot of legal and tax complexities as you hire in 60 countries as a whole.
Dave Kelly 49:46
That’s awesome. You know, it sounds like you were able to build a fun, exciting culture, great relationships without seeing each other at work as soon as they seen each other because we all have video we can use This video but it seems like you use the technology in the right way to form the relationships and got excited about seeing each other every couple of months for the Croatia trip or whatever it might be.
Barbie Brewer 50:11
That’s, that’s absolutely I mean, like, even now I’m talking to you guys right now. Right? I don’t feel like I know you any less than if we were sitting in the studio together. If I if I went to Washington, and I saw you in a strange hallway. Hey, Rolando, and give you a big hug?
Rolando Rosas 50:24
Of course, yes. No, I this. I heard somebody, maybe it was Gary Vee, he had something to say. almost similar to what you said in that, you know, we are we’re obviously more remote than we have ever been. But it’s given us the opportunity to connect with people on the way that deeper more often and in a less intrusive, then, you know, sometimes you meet people at gatherings you don’t know who they are right, you know, and you don’t really know them. You don’t know anything about them. You don’t know that they have two dogs and that you know, they are they live on a farm in central Oregon, like you’re talking about? They live out in those areas. And oh, yeah. So you’re at your farm house or wherever, your country house or whatever. And now you get to know a little bit more about that. And does it does do build a relationship from the work perspective in a way that probably we would have never done, right.
Barbie Brewer 51:21
Yeah, it never would have been talked about. I mean, you do have to be deliberate when people join like a video conference. And they’re all waiting for everyone to join. Since everyone’s it’s quiet. Like, you need some of the company to like, ask a trivia question or play some music or get people talking. But you also have a lot of natural icebreakers. I kept my door closed today, because you know, I’m
doing a podcast with y’all. But if I didn’t, you might see a German Shepherd drop in and ask for a tree. You might see my bernedoodle Come in. I’m a huge dog person. You might hear my son playing guitar in the background, because when it rains, I’ll have a guitar back there is because my son loves playing guitar. And it’s just you would you would I honestly, it’s it’s fun. And you do get to know people and, and you and if you just change the narrative in your head, like I can’t become your friend, because you’re not sitting next to me. Wonderful things can happen.
Rolando Rosas 52:09
Well, you know, we do a little bit every now and then we’ll put in a pot of like, you know, of money 20 3040 We’re even up it. You know, we do a little trivia, like, what do you kind of what? We do a little trivia, hey, how many blah, blah, blah, and whoever can guess it will win that. And if it doesn’t, it rolls over. And last year, I think we did one where it rolled all the way around Christmastime. And, you know, some people were very happy when they won because the pot kept rolling over and over
Barbie Brewer 52:41
is a great way to get people to talking. I mean, it’s so much better than tell me what your weekend was. The weather was good. Yeah, and when you’re in HR, your games, companies, you do trivia around things that are relevant to the company or the time of year and then when you’re in a global company, which a lot of these remote workforces are becoming you can you can have around the holidays. You can you can have trivia questions around Kwanzaa you can have your questions around Hanukkah, you can have triggers about different countries and when they celebrate and how they celebrate. And and that really gets people talking. I used to do music clips, and you have to guess the song or the artists. And that got everybody talking about their favorite music are the best concert they’ve been to. And I had 10 trivia questions lined up and we got through two and that’s great. That wasn’t that wasn’t a failure. That was a win. Right?
Rolando Rosas 53:26
Right, right. Oh, absolutely. And I love how you because that’s a good segue into what I want to ask you next, which are our four questions that we ask guests when they come on. There’s no right or wrong answer. This is just the folks that get to know you. You’re talking about music, in trivia, and so we’re going to go right into it. What is your favorite musician or musical group?
Barbie Brewer 53:47
Favorite musician or musical group? I’m going to lose so much street cred right now. I love country music.
Rolando Rosas 53:56
So I’m gonna have a good guitar that’s hanging in behind you
Barbie Brewer 53:59
know, he plays electric and he loves AC/DC and he loves I do love Tom Petty and he doesn’t get one penny. But yeah. Tim McGraw
Rolando Rosas 54:13
are no Tim McGraw. Oh, yeah. You know, those are good tunes. They both are two great musicians. So cool. So people now know that’s, that’s the kind of genre you like, what’s your favorite app? On your phone?
Barbie Brewer 54:27
My favorite app on my phone? ClickUp.
Rolando Rosas 54:30
Oh, there we go. Plug a plug plug
Barbie Brewer 54:34
- It’s true. I mean, it keeps my life in order. It’s not just about work. I do my gardening with it. I do the kids schedule with it. I remember when to you know, so I get my emails through it.
Rolando Rosas 54:45
Yeah, so let me ask you for those that don’t know what ClickUp is. What is ClickUp? What do they do?
Barbie Brewer 54:53
Well, ClickUp is really a SaaS product to help you manage your life really or your work. And so think of it as like Asana. meets Google Suite makes Trello. Me I mean, it’s just it kind of makes all that stuff where you can just have it in one app instead of trying to manage it and lots of different places. It integrates with Slack, things like that. And so it’s just a really good way for me to keep on top of what I need to get done. Whatever day I can look at what’s, what am I doing today? What am I doing tomorrow? What do I need to have done six months from now? And that’s why I say it’s great for employers because your your, your your employees can share with that with you. And then you can you can get updates and stuff that way too. So yeah, so it total shameless plug, but it’s, I joined the company because I liked the product. I use it before I joined.
Rolando Rosas 55:38
Wow, terrific. Well, that’s what I wanted to do to say what it is some folks have heard of ClickUp when some heaven for those that haven’t now you know what clickup is? Favorite food. You’ve got so many good places where you’re at. I love going out on the West Coast, just for this reason was
Barbie Brewer 55:55
I am such a bad eater. I am unhealthy and I don’t like to eat. So I’m gonna say pizza
Dave Kelly 56:03
on the West Coast.
Barbie Brewer 56:09
I like Mexican food a lot too. I can live off of Italian and Mexican food.
Rolando Rosas 56:14
Okay, okay. Pizza Pizza, though. Number one, then Mexican. Okay, not bad. I like both. Those are two good food groups.
Dave Kelly 56:25
The major food group
Barbie Brewer 56:26
ice cream every day for breakfast when I was trying to really gain weight.
Rolando Rosas 56:30
Oh, man, you know what we had to do? I did the same but for playing in England College Football, that we’re doing a lot of a lot of food and ice cream was heavy in the rotation for that. Yeah. Last one. preferred method of communication. email, text, phone call, instant message or DM.
Barbie Brewer 56:55
I don’t find a big difference between text instant DM. But definitely not phone. I hate phone calls. So I’m gonna say that text instant or DM one, but they’re not differentiated enough for me?
Rolando Rosas 57:13
No. So So on your phone. You do do more instant message on like Google Hangouts or what would you guys use internally? Just just curious what split up like to use teams?
Barbie Brewer 57:25
No, we are in Google suite that we use. Mostly just about everything goes through ClickUp because it but we do use Slack. We don’t use Google Chat. I think it’s called now on my phone. I use Signal. Okay, so that’s what I use on my phone. But I also get sometimes things through Facebook message or things like that. That.
Rolando Rosas 57:47
Yeah. Okay. All right. Now we know a lot more about Barbie. And ClickUp, which we did not know before. And if people want to follow you Barbie, where should they go?
Barbie Brewer 58:01
I guess LinkedIn? I don’t have. I don’t have a big presence right now. As you guys know, I’m starting to work with Shane because he wants to, you know, improve
Rolando Rosas 58:11
blog does Shane? Is he still stayed Saturday he finally go to Portugal?
Barbie Brewer 58:16
No, he’s still stateside right now. So, so yeah, I think I think you’ll be able to find me easier soon. But right now, I think going to my LinkedIn, you’ll see some of my presentations I’ve done and some of my perspectives on things other than remote work. So feel free to check me out there.
Rolando Rosas 58:34
All right, they should, because you got a lot of cool stuff, a lot of interesting perspectives on things. And that’s why I wanted to have you here. And hopefully, managers and other employees that have been watching this or will watch this during the playback. If you’re watching this during the playback, go ahead and follow Barbie on LinkedIn. She’s got a lot of cool posts and stuff on LinkedIn. And, and also want to remind you while we’re talking about following, go ahead and follow us. Like, Subscribe, hit all the bells and whistles. There you go. There it is. And you will get inside nuggets that we release throughout the week. And so if you’re on YouTube, go ahead and click that notify bell so that you know when we’ve released new nuggets behind the scenes and other things that you’re in the know. And now you’re up to date.
Dave Kelly 59:28
So Barbie, Barbie at the beginning of our shows. We like to do different things, different trivia questions. You had said that yourself that you’re a fan of trivia. I’m gonna throw this one over to you.
Rolando Rosas 59:40
I can’t wait to see what so I should have Googled it. You had time.
Dave Kelly 59:46
As as we open up to show Monday is the most common sick day in the world, except in this country. I have a feeling down I know where you’re gonna go. I’m gonna reserve my answer, but I’m curious to hear You think
Barbie Brewer 1:00:01
I’m gonna just guess here but I’m gonna say II Japan.
Rolando Rosas 1:00:06
I’m gonna go Australia.
Dave Kelly 1:00:08
I also think II Japan. All right,
Rolando Rosas 1:00:12
let’s see who’s wrong and right. Oh, there you go. You know what? Ori? Who’s our producer? He springs these now on as before and yes, about a month ago you would say yeah, maybe it’s it because but this case I did not know. I you know what I was thinking I was the timezone change. Oh, so Australia is like I don’t know how many hours ahead so it may be technically Tuesday or something like that. Did you not?
Dave Kelly 1:00:43
Did you know that Monday is also the number one that’s the most popular day for a worker’s comp claim.
Rolando Rosas 1:00:51
And I know that that’s probably from your former life, Dave. Yes, yes. That’s what they
Dave Kelly 1:00:54
said Monday is the day get hurt on the weekend. Hold on to the pain or pretend Something happened in the office on Monday. Oh, I don’t endorse that.
Rolando Rosas 1:01:08
Well, Barbie, you’ve been such a great sport. I love having you on there on on on with us. You’ve enlightened us brought a lot of knowledge. And, you know, hopefully a lot of folks that are watching this either live or you in the playback been able to take some of this back to their to their jobs or their employers so that they could do we’ll take some action on it. And so now, are we throwing it to end screens? All right, let me see where I’m pointing. I always forget. And if you’ve watched this video, Dave and I are going to join you in the next set of videos. So make sure you go in there and we’ll join you inside of those videos.
Outro 1:01:50
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